Opinions? Could this mark the beginning of an actual movement, or is it just some college kid protest that will amount to fuck-all? Is the system too far gone to be repaired? Do we, as citizens, still have a voice in our government? Or has that voice been drowned out by corporate dollar signs?
Having just been down there this weekend (for research, not protesting) I can point out two things that were clear: There are lots of young college educated people protesting, and there are enough hippie morons out there for the media to focus on.
Also there is plenty of weed to smoke, buy and sell out there. If anyone is in the buisness.
If it amounts to anything more than sensationalism I'll be surprised. As Dronester so effectively points out, Obama loves those Wall Street peeps and it's safe to assume his administration will not support any legal actions toward them. So I think it will amount to 'fuck all', like you said. But time will tell. I doubt it will have the same changing effect the protests in the Miiddle East have had, I just don't see how it could.
I am unclear as to exactly what change even the most optimistic Wall Street protestor is expecting?
My point was more about what youth ignited protest will acheive rather than about the specifics of the Wall Street protests themselves.
But from what I gathered out there, there is no collective agenda.
Is the aim to overthrow the capitalist system?
Yes, by tweeting how shitty capitalim is from their iPhone's and Androids, while blogging about it on their Macs and recording the protest from their Sony cameras to then upload on Youtube.
The aim isn't to overthrow capitalism, its to try and stop what lead to and the post affects of the bailout/banking mess. That's what I think it's about at least, if I was to try and come up with some kind of collective opinon.
Whilst weed and witty banners are always welcome even I (born optimist that I am) can't see that having the desired effect.
There was plenty of weed and whitty banners at Vietnam protests, and those had some rather good effects.
It's like this, baseball is a fun game and a great show of athletic ability in human beings that should be recognized and valued, but no ones sitting through nine innings of it without a beer.
You can't rally and protest against corrupt bankers without weed, no ones going to hang out with you in protest. Duh
What about the legal actions he's already supported?
More Wall Street protesters have been arrested so far in Wall Street than anyone else! A few slaps on the wrist fail to convince me that any real action has been taken.
What they made was unemployment for the people whom you despise for being unemployed. If you hate the poor so much, couldn't you spare a little of that hatred for the people who made them poor?
Actually, they made the people who had fucking jobs unemployed. Those aren't the one's Buz hates. Buz hates the one's that were always unemployed. Mainly minorities.
Here's a nice white lady talking - (with questionable make-up choices). Former banker, sensible, rational, not spounting crazy shit on a hand-held camera. You should be able support that right? There's no nonsense.
Tell me, Onifre, in what nation are blacks, Hispanics better off than the ones in America?
You said: Has been the most free.
That's not a factual statement. There was a time when they were not free and non-black minorities were treated horribly too. So were women and gays...which are actually still mistreated.
Hispanics and blacks are currently doing fine in many nations. Equally free not just in the US.
why is it that blacks and hispanics risk their lives on high water ocean waters, under terrible odds, from Haite and Cuba, to raft to America's shores so as to enjoy the good American life?
Were any of them doing that before the 60's?
As an aside, VOTE FOR HERMAN KANE, THE REAL 100% FIRST BLACK CANDIDATE CAPABLE OF WINNING!! bUZSAW IS NO MINORITY RACIST!!
You really just mean the darkest candidate, because Obama is black. If you saw a guy of his color in your neighborhood, you tell the cops it was black guy.
Well, Jonsey, pray tell, if America is not the greatest for Hispanics and blacks from Mexico, Haite and Cuba, the nations which I mentioned, what nation on the planet is greater for them in the proximity where they would be able to go to?
Many Cubans live comfortably in Spain, South America (Brazil, Venezuela, etc.), Canada and in the UK.
Also, Cubans don't live in all the US. Mainly New York, New Jersey, Florida, California, and Texas. Care to guess why? I'll give you a hint, it has to do with the way they're treated in other areas.
Hatians are limited to even less states.
Mexicans are anywhere you care to exploit them.
And as long as blacks stay in their neighborhoods, you tolerate them. But the second they start moving into white neighborhoods you guys take flight. Lets be honest here, Buz.
Curiously that matches Oni's own book on himself......!
All this 10 rating talk and all the love has given me a boner.
I, of course, agree with the 10 rating, and also agree with your 8.2.
It's good to have the comedy-meister back (where he been?) and I for one would vote for his 10 rating but for the fact I am deeply competetive and that would put yet another long timer ahead of me in the ratings war.
Been working, got a day job and living in NYC now. Writing for a network (basic cable) punching up scripts for new developments. It's awesome but the hours with that and comedy at night leave me little time for the forum. I lurk sometimes late night when I'm baked to catch up with the old beefs.
When I get a few weeks off I come back, which as you can see is only every few months.
PS - I am a bit drunk at the mo.
That's the one thing that doesn't change in this forum.
Like in many other areas--Social Security, Medicare, pensions and likely immunity against charges for raping or killing minorities--the "Greatest Generation" made out like bandits, and the rest of us honkies are left with Fox News, NASCAR and DIY porn.
It seems like white women are the ones getting the good treatment these days.
But the GOP still loves us almost as much as money.
They're starting to really take a liking to delusional minorities willing to show face for their party though.
The one advantage white people will always have is the use of time machines:
I don't so much care about that, either. There's no evidence that criminals in Mexico - where, frankly, criminals have it pretty good - are eager to flee to a country with functioning governance and criminal justice.
It's not so much the Mexican criminals that are coming in, it's the Salvadorans, Hondurans, Guatemalans, and Nicaraguan gangs using Mexico to get in. Like of course the now famous Mara Salvatrucha - MS 13, who's members are all Central American, but very few Mexicans.
Oddly enough the gang started here in the US, then went to El Salvador, then spread back to the US. And the reasons for wanting to come here, while you make a good point that we have structured law enforcement, is that it helps them not only get street cred for being in the US and hopefully commiting a worthy crime. But their only punishment is usually getting deported only to sneak back in the country.
Mexicans are usually the hard working, hispanic people you find in stereotypical rolls like construction, landscaping, etc. The criminal aspect of immigrants is mostly coming from the other places in Central America but, still using Mexico as their crossover point.
So I have to agree with Coyote that there seriously needs to be some better boarder control. But I also like the idea of letting workers work seasonaly. The problem is, money made in the US is with the intent that most of it will be spent in the US. So I think there will be some issue with them not recirculating the money back into our system and taking it to Mexico. If you can get around that somehow, it's a good idea.
It used to be back before the hippy sixties before drugs were a significant problem that the places where the migrant workers were employed there were quarters on the property which housed them, where they were fed etc.
Well that "etc" is a HUGE etc. They were housed, yes, and sometimes fed, but were also treated like shit, left to fend for themsleves and in many cases women were giving birth there. No healthcare or even medical care when injured. It was slavery with a weekly allowance.
So if they did deal in drugs, and I don't think they did that much, you can't blame them for seeking the income.
Then the government got lax, drugs became a lucrative means of $$ for the ones like you have described.
I'm sorry, when the hell has the government ever been laxed with drugs?
More Wall Street protesters have been arrested so far in Wall Street than anyone else! A few slaps on the wrist fail to convince me that any real action has been taken.
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