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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Hi, hooah.
I believe mass protests make a difference--not because the government cares about what crowds of young people think or do, but because every protester has friends and, more important, families who already treasure their promise and idealism. When people see their children and grandchildren treated as criminals for protesting a rapacious oligarchy, the ground can begin to shift: we have always relied on the young to fight our wars and ignite our changes. Armchair cynics hand-wave away street action, but that's what it takes to light a fire under complacency and apathy. The Civil Rights Act didn't pass because people wrote letters to Congress; it passed because Americans saw the essence of the struggle in broadcasts of peaceful marches met by the likes of Bull Conner, dogs and nightsticks--and that drove home the injustice of the status quo. Change came after the movement led to dead freedom bus riders and blown-up little black girls. The civil rights movement won with courage and blood, not with written moral suasion. You can write a million letters to GOPers in Congress, and it won't change one vote. But mass protests can change a million votes. I wish George Carlin had lived to see the beginning of Occupy Wall Street. He'd have recognized those people. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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Coyote writes: Does this apply to the Tea Party, or just to left wing protesters? Why do you think the Occupy Wall Street folks are left wing protesters? Tea Party rallies and spokespeople have condemned the Wall St./bankers bail-out and escape from prosecution--so why is this a left-right issue for you?"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
The Civil War images are especially haunting.
Somehow that fledgling photography achieved an immediacy we still struggle to match."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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Coyote writes: They [Democrats] know the value of organization and grass-roots movements. That's part of why they hate the Tea Party so much. They don't like the competition. Very few people like the Tea Party these days.
quote: Poll: Tea party less popular than Muslims, atheists | The Daily Caller Before you reject the poll results because they come from a "lib" newspaper, note that these results have been replicated by others. The Tea Party is essentially an instrument of the religious right, insisting they are "Taxed Enough Already" when taxes are lower than they've been in most of their lifetimes. They deride Obama as a tax and spend liberal when he has cut taxes; they stockpile ammo and buy guns by the crate because Obama will take their guns away, while he has explicitly rejected any thought of doing so. The Tea Party has pushed past unreasonableness, through irrationality and far into self-delusion. Most TPers reject evolution, supporting prayer, creationism and religious instruction in public schools. They want "government hands off my Medicare" while they support candidates who support gutting both Social Security and Medicare. I'm surprised to find someone capable of the rationality you show in this forum in their company. I'm curious: Did you think the Civil Right marches and anti-Vietnam war protests were far left-wing efforts? Edited by Omnivorous, : 2nd irrationality->self-delusion "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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jar writes: I don't think there even is a left in the US these days. Here I is!"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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Coyote writes: Someone on the far left would see others on the far left as mainstream. I probably qualify as far left. Liberals make me impatient, and conservatives--real conservatives--passed away a long time ago. It's pretty lonely out here. The mainstream in the US today is lost in a near-fascist fog. Nearly every 20th century Republican president would be unacceptable to the right now, including Nixon, Ford and Reagan. I know Reagan is the patron saint of the GOP, but no one who would raise taxes a dozen times, dismiss evangelicals as kooks and refuse to wage abortion wars, and compromise with Democrats for the good of the country, could pass Republican muster, however misty-eyed they get about "The Gipper." I suppose to those who think unions are socialist thugs, teachers are parasites and Obama is a liberal, the left looks big."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Dr A writes: See? All too well. "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Well, I certainly don't anything to do with the handiwork of the GOP...
...like Abu Ghraib...
...or Oklahoma City. NB: Apply your objections to your own cherry-picked material."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
onifre writes: It sure must be nice being a white male in America. The gig ain't what it used to be. Like in many other areas--Social Security, Medicare, pensions and likely immunity against charges for raping or killing minorities--the "Greatest Generation" made out like bandits, and the rest of us honkies are left with Fox News, NASCAR and DIY porn. Even the chances of becoming a DWM (Dead White Male) literary lion look bad these days. But the GOP still loves us almost as much as money. Edited by Omnivorous, : DMW->DWM "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Straggler writes: AbE - It appears my latest cheer has provided the straw to break the no ratings camels back. Oni has a 10 rating.MFer!!! Grrrr PS - I am a bit drunk at the mo. On the off chance you might gain some ground with sympathy votes, I've cheered all Onifre's posts for the past three months. P.S. I'm only one sheet to the wind, myself, but I'm jibing vigorously . "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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Straggler writes: Omni writes:
Bastard. On the off chance you might gain some ground with sympathy votes, I've cheered all Onifre's posts for the past three months. Alas, no. I am a middle child, and my father's imprint is strong: many insistences to the contrary, I am as legitimate as an illicit-minded man can be. I have lifted your rating from 7.7 to 8.2. It would have been easier if you didn't have so bloody many posts--or perhaps so many bloody-minded posts. I only needed to respond to one in which I found you slighting my favorite tryptamine. Tut. Still, it was fun, it suited me in its subversive abuse of a social ranking system, and I feel vaguely slutty. All in all, a good night."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Buz writes: I'm one of those Social Security recipients. I, along with most of us paid our dues/taxes for our SS retirement . I paid non-inflated hard earned $$ for 40 years to pay for the pittance of inflated $$ I'm getting back; about enough to keep me from freezing and starvation. Had I been allowed to invest all of this money in money markets, etc, I'd be living on easy street today. I was paying in 25 cent gasoline money and getting back $3.00 gasoline money. Let's see: 25 cent gasoline was about 1960. Are you claiming there was no inflation prior to the 1960s? Wherever your money was invested, your return would have been eroded by inflation. I'd be interested to hear the numbers you use to derive "easy street" income from the equivalent of your life-time Social Security withholding. I've heard the claim many times, but a close look at the numbers usually shows that the assumptions are wildly unrealistic. One site, for example, posits an annual return of 10% and applies it to the maximum Social Security withholding in order to conclude that we'd all be better off without Social Security. Others use similar, wishful-thinking scenarios, such as assuming an employer would have given you the Social Security matching tax as a tax-free IRA, etc. None of the models I've examined have used a real world money market fund's track record to plug in average SS contributions and derive credible results. Nor do these anti-SS analyses consider the private cost of disability and survivor benefits. So what numbers are you using when you make this claim? If it's based on someone else's analysis, a link, name or web address would be good.
Our Organizer in Chief is organizing his promised civilian army revolution so as to keep his promise of changing America so as for it to be compatible with he, his close bud, Bill Ayres, violent Weather Underground terrorist, America hater/pastor/former Nation Of Islam member/ bud of Louis Farrakahn, self avowed Communist/socialist, Frank Marshal Davis, etc, etc. In order to fundamentally transform our nation into what Bill Ayers et al fail to do violently, the Organizer In Chief plans to achieve chaos and mayhem, destroy the American &&, undermine our only ally in the Mid East, Israel and empower the Islamic Brotherhood in nations like Egypt, Labia, (now Sudan) and other nations. Oh you wild and crazy guy! Edited by Omnivorous, : Sorry, AdminPD...written while you cautioned."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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Buz writes: If Wall Street were blown to bits tomorrow, can you imagine the panic you and all of those nincompoops out their yelling their fool heads off about ?? would be caught up in along with the whole nation? The impact on the economy and welfare of Americans would dwarf 9/11. So, unlike the Tea Party, you supported TARP and other Wall St. bail-outs. I suppose you supported the rescue of the U.S. automotive industry for similar reasons."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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Hopeless.
"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 131 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined:
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WSJ writes: Yet the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people They sound pretty American to me:
Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth Like the richest few percentiles who have claimed an unprecedented proportion of the nation's wealth in the past few decades.
civil disobedience Like our founders and the Civil Rights Movement.
and, in some instances, violence. Like every American president and Congress. Ever.
Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before Like all Democrats, Repubicans and Independents.
virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals Like the original Tea Party in Boston harbor.
and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda Like everyone who smiled benignly at Tea Party talk of "2nd Amendment solutions" to a Democratic president: I clearly recall the WSJ's deep concern about that "dangerously out of touch" rhetoric."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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