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Does this apply to the Tea Party, or just to left wing protesters?

You must be kidding!

Democrats, and especially the far left, has been organized in this fashion since the late '60s.They know the value of organization and grass-roots movements. That's part of why they hate the Tea Party so much. They don't like the competition.

Perhaps, although organized, the far left is much smaller than they would have you believe?

It depends upon where you are looking from.Someone on the far left would see others on the far left as mainstream.

I agree with a lot of your points. I too am a fiscal conservative, but that certainly puts me in company with a lot of social conservatives, who I don't believe are conservatives at all.Rather than being for individual liberty, they want all the rest of us to live under their rules.

Here's one of those "occupiers" now! I certainly want nothing to do with that sort of nonsense.

Police Get Involved In #OccupySesameStreet Protests

When I was young I worked in the fields three summers, the first with Braceros, who were guest workers as you describe. They were good folks, hard working, and I liked them very much. The next two years were with locals, and they weren't anywhere near as good. All true. But for some reason the Bracero program was cancelled.I have worked (as an archaeologist) with several construction crews in the past few years. Many of the workers were clearly illegal although nobody said a thing. Virtually every one was both a hard worker and a decent person. They will make good citizens, and their children will go to college. 80,000 can't be a realistic number. More like 800 million. We have an estimated 10-15% of the population of Mexico here already, and more are coming all the time.What we need is some control over the situation. We're getting criminals along with the good workers, and that should be corrected.But we are getting a lot of the best and most ambitious workers from Mexico and points south, and they are going to make solid contributions to our society in due time. As the old saying goes, "The cowards never started and the weak died along the way." We're getting the cream of the crop.We just need some control over things.

Just to address one point: We can't get our own citizens to stay in Detroit, why would you think those moving to the US--who can settle anywhere they want (that is, anywhere there is good work)--would want to settle in Detroit?They're smarter than that.Report from the field: Almost all of the (undocumented) workers I've worked with on a lot of construction projects are hard workers and they are here to stay. We're better off having them here, and they'll get legalized somehow. Nobody knows how, but that's what they are counting on. We need that new blood, and they'll be real assets.And as I said, their children will go to college.

Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd, by Douglas Schoen (Wall Street Journal Opinion)

...Yet the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American peopleand particularly with swing voters who are largely independent and have been trending away from the president since the debate over health-care reform.

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The protesters have a distinct ideology and are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies. On Oct. 10 and 11, Arielle Alter Confino, a senior researcher at my polling firm, interviewed nearly 200 protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park. Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion.

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Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda. ...

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MSNBC? More likely in reaction to MSNBC and it's biased reporting.Really, I'd like to know where you got this MSNBC stuff. They aren't exactly middle of the road, or even slightly left leaning. How do you conclude that they are supporting the tea parties?As for the Koch brothers, please provide evidence that they financed all of those people who gathered for peaceful protests.I was thinking of going to one of their protests, but never got around to it. (I was waiting for my check from the Koch brothers, but it never came. Must have been lost in the mail, eh?)By the way, at least the tea party folks cleaned up after themselves. That's more than the flea baggers are doing. Their protest areas are more likely to need serious fumigation when they're done.(Dons flame suit.)

The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a "warm body" democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. Once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader.

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Robert A.Heinlein, To Sail Beyond the Sunset

Emphasis added.

And that means?I don't get what you are trying to say here.

LITTLE RED HEN
(Courtesy of BigSoph on another website)She asked 99% of her neighbors, 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'
'Not I,' said the cow.
'Not I,' said the duck.
'Not I,' said the pig.
'Not I,' said the goose.
'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did. The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen.
'Not I,' said the duck..
'Out of my classification,' said the pig.
'I'd lose my seniority,' said the cow.
'I'd lose my unemployment compensation,' said the goose.
'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.At last it came time to bake the bread.
'Who will help me bake the bread?' asked the little red hen.
'That would be overtime for me,' said the cow.
'I'd lose my welfare benefits,' said the duck.
'I'm a dropout and never learned how,' said the pig.
'If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination,' said the goose.
'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen.She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves.''Excess profits!' cried the Screeching cow.
'Capitalist leech!' screamed the duck.
'I demand equal rights!' yelled the goose.
The pig just grunted in disdain.And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.Then the Great Leader came. He said to the little red hen, 'You must not be so greedy.''But I earned the bread,' said the little red hen.'Exactly,' said Great Leader. 'That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labour with those who are lazy and idle or who are engaged in community activities.'And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, 'I am grateful, for now I truly understand.'But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her. She never again baked bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free. And all the Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established.Individual initiative had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one cared...so long as there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for.Then the bread ran out.