Jesus The false prophet

Hi frako,The Samaritan woman was amazed at the ability of Jesus to speak concerning the events and conditions of her life. "'Sir, 'I can see that you are a prophet'" (John 4:19).Jesus was the Messiah, God in the flesh. Jesus continues his convo with the woman "The woman said, 'I know that Messiah' (Christ)is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us. Then Jesus said, "I who speak to you am he" (John 4:25-26).Jesus knew everything about everyone and walked in the "office" of a prophet. Jesus is the Head of the Church. The church consists of Prothets, pastors, teachers, Evangelists and apostles to build up the church. It's called the fivefold ministry for the edification of the saints. Jesus, was ALL of these. More importantly he was God. If he was a "false" prophet (im assuming you believe he existed or wouldn't have started a thread about it if he didn't) then you must also believe that the diciples died horrible deaths from following this "false" prophet and remained faithful to him even unto death. Do you think they would have followed a false prophet to the death? Having witnessed so many miracles a false prophet could never do, they believed he was who he said he was.Of course this is all assuming you believe Jesus Christ existed. If you don't believe he existed then this is a moot point. But, if you do believe he existed and based on the Scripture references you gave you must conclude( if you want to use the Bible as evidence against Jesus you must also use it as evidence FOR his existance and any argument made for the case against your comment that proves it otherwise) that Jesus was who he said he was based on the Gospels account of Jesus' calims to who he said he was. You cannot use the Bible to discredit Jesus because it's one continual flow from Genesis to Revelations concerning the -prophecy of his coming-his birth-burial-resurrection -and Ascension. It all flows perfectly from beginning to end.To say Jesus was a false prophet is 1, admiting he existed and 2, that he had followers. If he existed you believe that based on the account of the Bible and can't use the same Bible to discredit him at the same time. Your cancelling out your own opinion with that logic. Good day.

Frako,Why would the entire Bible be about a false prophet? From Genesis ( the first prophecy concerning the Messiah) to Revelations we see a common theme- Jesus.you really need to do better than use a few passages of Scripute to make your claim. How about some outside non-Biblical references...

Quote mining from the Bible? LOL.Prophecy OT - Genesis 3:15 (NIV) And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."NT - Galatians 4:4 (NIV) But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,NT - 1 John 3:8 (NIV) He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.----------------------------------------------------------------Prophecy OT - Isaiah 7:14 (NIV) Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.NT - Matthew 1:18-2:1 (NIV) This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. 20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins." 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" --which means, "God with us." 24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. 2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem--------------------------------------------------------------------Prophecy OT - Micah 5:1 (NIV) Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod. 2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."NT - Matthew 2:1 (NIV) After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to JerusalemNT - Matthew 2:6 (NIV) "'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.'"-----------------------------------------------------------------Prophecy OT - Isaiah 53:9 (NIV) He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.NT - 1 Peter 2:22 (NIV) "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."-----------------------------------------------------------Prophecy OT - Zechariah 11:12-13 (NIV) I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter"--the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter.NT - Matthew 26:15 (NIV) and asked, "What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?" So they counted out for him thirty silver coins.-----------------------------------------------------------------Isaiah Chapter 53 is an entire Prophecy regarding Jesus. It's fulfillment is in the NT. It's to long to post here. Among MANY MANY other prophecies in the OT fulfilled in the New.Of course you know all this, and are sitting back laughing as everyone posts the ENTIRE OT and it's prophecies for you as you sit back and watch. So, enjoy it, and your welcome. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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AdminPDHow in the WORLD is this comment OFF topic? It's BIBLE study! Are you kidding me? Someone (jar) claimed that nothing in the Old Testement refered to Jesus and all I did was simply point out prophecies in the OT that referenced him. Which IS what was being discussed. How is this off topic again? The Admin seems a little touchy on these forums. This isn't an open debate, it's debate that HAS to line up with whatever the moderators see fit. It's sorta kinda like communism, you know like China. This forum is of American founders right? If not I apologise and get it now. If it IS an open forum for people to respond to other people WHICH is what I was doing what's the problem?Someone made a claim that the Bible did not talk about Jesus in the OT and I showed that person he was wrong. THAT'S debating. And I backed it up with the BIBLE. How sad to see this. This is a joke.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.