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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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frako writes: The bible tells you to test prophets King James BibleBeloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Deuteronomy 18:21-22: "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Mark 9:1King James Version 1. And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. or Matthew 16:28, or Luke 9:27he says basically the same thing He fails the test: All of the people he was talking too are dead and no kingdom of god in sight. Frako, Frako, consider context, context, context.
quote: Obviously and objectively, contextually, the quote in question was messianic, pertaining to Jesus's futuristic kingdom. Now, as to Jesus's fulfilled prophecies, consider Luke 21:23,24, pertaining to the Jews and Israel as just one empirical example:
quote: When Jesus prophesied here, Jerusalem was fully occupied by Jews. For 19 plus centuries, Jerusalem was occupied predominantly by Gentiles. In the 1967 Six day War, the gentiles ran/fled out and Jews marched in again, triumphantly, all the way to the wailing wall on Mt Zion, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Fulfillment of Jesus's messianic kingdom prophecy is emerging on tract, corroborated by numerous other end time simultaneously as predicted. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
frako writes: When Jesus prophesied here, Jerusalem was fully occupied by Jews. For 19 plus centuries, Jerusalem was occupied predominantly by Gentiles. In the 1967 Six day War, the gentiles ran/fled out and Jews marched in again, triumphantly, all the way to the wailing wall on Mt Zion, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Fulfillment of Jesus's messianic kingdom prophecy is emerging on tract, corroborated by numerous other end time simultaneously as predicted. So you are telling me there are 2000 year old disciples still walking around who have not yet tasted death? Better go back and read thoughtfully. As per the text I cited, there are dead disciples who, on the Mount of Transfiguration of Jesus when he glowed etc, appearing with Moses and Elijah, saw people and phenomena relating to the coming kingdom before they died. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
frako writes: Mark 9:1King James Version 1. And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. or Matthew 16:28, or Luke 9:27he says basically the same thing He fails the test: All of the people he was talking too are dead and no kingdom of god in sight. Frako, this is just another example of why Biblical novices tend towards skepticism of the Bible's credibility as a record. You've quote mined this prophecy out of it's fulfillment context. You will note from the Wiki link that the transfiguration event happens in the very next chapter of Matthew, Matthew 17, in which Jesus shows a selected few of his apostles a glimpse of things pertaining to heaven, such as his miraculous Tranfiguration. Most studied Biblical scholars agree that this was the fulfillment of Jesus's prophecy. ABE: I forgot that I had already said essentially the same thing and others had aluded to it. Anyhow, perhaps this will add some credibility to the prophecy. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: Jesus and the OT prophets, often made statements of this nature. Jesus was showing the disciples his glory as it would be at his coming to set up his messianic kingdom on earth. That's the only logical explanation and it makes sense, whether you choose to accept it or not. Jesus made other more specifically fulfilled prophecies which corroborate that he was a true prophet as well as the coming messiah. I have cited them in other threads and will allude to them in another message unrelated to this incident. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Two specific prophecies of Jesus, showing that he was, indeed, a credible prophet are found in one or more of the gospel accounts of what is known as the Olivet Discourse, when Jesus was prophesying to his disciples that he would soon be crucified, but would return in the end times for the 2nd advent.
I have alluded to these in the past, but will repeat them for this thread. The first is his prophecy in Luke 21:24, ASE which states:
quote: At the time Jesus prophesied, Jerusalem was occupied by Jews. He prophesied that the Jews would be scattered into the nations and that there would be a period of Gentile occupation of the city. His prophecy stated that there would come a time in the future when the Gentile occupation would end, implying that it would again be occupied by Jews. This prophecy is corroborated by several OT prophets. Another example of fulfillment of Jesus's Olivet Discourse prophecy is that in that discourse he prophesied that his gospel, which was, at that time, a brand new gospel, considered by many to be another little cult, would be proclaimed to all nations, at which period the end of the age would come. Lo and behold, for decades the Bible, including the NT has been the world's all time best seller consistently. Today, all nations of the planet have Jesus's prophesied gospel. These are just a couple of Jesus's more significant and phenomenal fulfilled prophecies. There are others. The fulfillment of either of the above being fulfilled at the time the prophecies were made would have been considered veryunlikely. King James Version:
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
heretic writes: To be more clear, if the author thought Jesus was going to return in (lets just say 50 years) and believed that all the nations would hear his message first, then it changes everything. This shows how utterly ignorant you are regarding the context of Matthew's other writings regarding the timing of Jesus's 2nd advent. It was the same author, Matthew who wrote one of the accounts of the Olivet Discourse regarding the timing of Jesus's return. The Jews, then occupying Israel must be dispersed and Gentiles occupying Jerusalem until the end times when the Gentile occupation would end and Jews back for the messianic kingdom. There were to be wars and rumors of wars BEFORE the end times. The great tribulation of saints was to happen, earthquakes in many various places, signs in the heavens, sun & moon darkening, a period of cloudiness, Jerusalem encompassed by armies etc, etc. To think this all could happen in 50 years is just nuts. No, Matthew knew full well that this transfiguration could not have been the 2nd advent return. Matthew and others recorded that the 2nd advent return Jesus would appear in great glory. The Transfiguration was a scene, depicting Jesus in great glory. Go figure. You need to study up before coming to an objective conclusion regarding this. It appears that you are not debating in good faith. Believe what you will believe. You will likely never admit to one fulfilled prophecy, regardless of how much evidence is presented. Arguing with you further on this becomes an endeavor of futility, Heretic. You're running out of gas.
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