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NoNukes
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Message 9 of 213 (619288)
06-09-2011 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by frako
06-09-2011 8:11 AM


frako writes:
Mark 9:1
King James Version
1. And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
For the Mark 9:1 quote, I think a reasonable interpretation is that Jesus was referring to the Transfiguration described in 9:2-7.
In other words, Peter, John, and James got a sneak peek while they were still alive. For more than the sneak peak, including the other predictions, no time frame is given.
A similar argument can be made for Matthew 16:28 and possibly even Luke 9:27. I think only those who are spoiling for a fight would have much of a problem with these verses.
IMO, Matthew 24:27-34 is a much more problematic scripture.

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NoNukes
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Message 13 of 213 (619304)
06-09-2011 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by frako
06-09-2011 11:39 AM


frako writes:
As saying that mine refers to a sneek peek those guys get that is a long shot.
How can you assess the odds?
Why dint he just say when we get on top of that moutin il give you a sneak preview of whats going to happen a gazillion years after i die.
Does not seem any more cryptic than any other Bible prophecy.

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NoNukes
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Message 15 of 213 (619313)
06-09-2011 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Jon
06-09-2011 12:17 PM


Re: False Truths
Jon writes:
I don't think there is any lying involved. Even if Jesus actually said these things, he wasn't lying; he was just wrong. There's a difference.
I don't think Harold Camping was lying about the world ending last month. But he was still a false prophet as defined in Deuteronomy, because his prediction was bogus.

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NoNukes
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Message 47 of 213 (619545)
06-10-2011 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Jon
06-09-2011 8:27 PM


Re: False Truths
Jon writes:
Did Jesus speak false things through God when he predicted the end times?
I am not the one calling Jesus a false prophet and I don't even think Jesus spoke presumptuously. As I've stated, I believe that the examples Frako gave were actually fulfilled. I do think that Matthew 24:27-34 is a much more problematic scripture.
I'm trying to sort through this for myself. But Jesus 'not speaking through God' is not a loophole I can accept.

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NoNukes
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Message 75 of 213 (619769)
06-12-2011 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by ICANT
06-10-2011 4:15 PM


Re: False Truths
ICANT writes:
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
I do think that Matthew 24:27-34 is a much more problematic scripture.
Why don't you start a thread on this text and we can discuss it.
God Bless,
Since frako has asked about it, I think it can be discussed here. I don't have a well formed opinion on the matter, so I am uncomfortable starting a thread. I think there are existing threads that could be used.

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NoNukes
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Message 91 of 213 (619888)
06-12-2011 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Jon
06-12-2011 10:07 PM


Re: Invalid Argument
Jon writes:
Why argue on the premises when they wouldn't even support the conclusion anyway?
Jon
Some of us are interested in the meaning of the verses regardless of whether they support frako's conclusion. Even among the people who insist that Jesus is not a false prophet, there are diverse explanations for that conclusion.
Why not just end your own participation without arguing that everyone else should?

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