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Author Topic:   Hate the sin but love the person...except when voting?
Son
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Message 6 of 391 (596650)
12-16-2010 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by iano
12-16-2010 9:01 AM


But someone homosexual won't suddendly have a straight family if this person isn't allowed to marry someone of the same sex. How does allowing homosexual to marry affect others exactly?
I also need to add that the most beneficial "types of family units" would be 1 man, 1 woman, 2.1 children. Should we warrant everyone to be this way? Should we force people to marry because "it's beneficial to society"?
For your last paragraph, if I consider Christians to be harmful to society, should I be allowed to forbid your religion if I somehow get a majority? Didn't they already try the tyranny of the majority somewhere? How did that work out?

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Son
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Message 62 of 391 (596852)
12-17-2010 11:12 AM
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12-17-2010 5:05 AM


iano writes:
I think you are entitled to work towards shaping society in the way that pleases you. If that includes campaigning for homosexual marriage then so be it. If contra then so be it also.
I can't think of any legitimate reason why you should be prevented from doing that (other than through others exercising that same entitlement.
I'd imagine the dominant view (or amalgamation of various views) will reign.
I guess that clears that up. I wrote the message I did because I thought that people considered the constitution important. I pointed out that depriving a minority of its' rights was unconstitutionnal for the obvious reason that the result you get is a society at war. You seem to think the contrary and I guess I can only point out that you live in a democracy, not in a "whatever the majority wants goes" type of regime (tyranny of the majority) which are very different.
You still have to show how homosexual marriage will harm society or other people by the way.

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Son
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Message 77 of 391 (596886)
12-17-2010 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by iano
12-17-2010 11:27 AM


A democracy means everyone is equal before the states, not anything goes. Meaning if you have one right, so do the other. That's simple but it's to avoid conflict/favoritism that would end up in conflict. The reason polygamy isn't allowed is noone is allowed to have several wives/husbands(so everyone is the same in regards to that). Polygamy/polyandry isn't allowed because noone pushes for it and I guess it would be an hassle to administratively. It could be allowed if someone proposed a law with the proper framework but noone bothered. As for minors, they can't enter contracts that requires informed consent, it's not specific to marriage.
I brought up the constitution to highlight what a democracy is and to show that it isn't just about voting this or that. As for the reason marriage for homosexuals should be allowed:
-allows the people concerned the same chances to happiness
-insurance
-adoption
-inheritance
-etc... (everything heterosexual couples are allowed to have under a marriage contract)
-equal rights
Downsides:
-some people don't like homosexuals
I guess what I said was a bit off topic since the OP is "Hate the sin but love the person...except when voting?" but it seems you've shown the only reason you don't want homosexuals to marry is because you don't like it. You're just confirming the suspicion of the OP that you dislike the "sinner" so we have yet to meet one person who "hates the sin but loves the sinner".

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Son
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Message 96 of 391 (596928)
12-18-2010 8:06 AM
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12-18-2010 7:03 AM


Re: No one can give a reason
Iano, the problem is that you haven't shown how promoting gay marriage is imposing a worldview. We don't ask you to marry a gay, to accept them, just leave them alone. Why is it so difficult for you? Do you really hate gays that much?

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