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Topic: Hate the sin but love the person...except when voting?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 8 of 391 (596657)
12-16-2010 11:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by iano
12-16-2010 9:01 AM
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If someone is of the view that homosexual marriage is detrimental to society (they may, for example, consider Gods judgement to be attracted so..) then their efforts to deny homosexuals access to marriage wouldn't be based on condemnation of the homosexual population itself. Ah, I see, it would be based on God being the the Bigot instead. Got you. Makes sense now.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 52 of 391 (596834)
12-17-2010 9:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 47 by iano
12-17-2010 5:12 AM
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Man judges God.
The external source is the one mentioned in the Bible; man, humans. Part of our charge is to judge and correct God when God is acting immoral. We were given the gift of the knowledge of right and wrong to use, and that includes pointing out when God is wrong. As I said "Ah, I see, it would be based on God being the the Bigot instead. Got you. Makes sense now."
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 64 of 391 (596854)
12-17-2010 11:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 61 by iano
12-17-2010 11:06 AM
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Re: Man judges God.
Of course it is not an hypothesis, but rather a conclusion based on the evidence.
Gen 3 writes: 22 And the LORD God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. Gen 18 writes: 25 Far be it from you to do such a thingto kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right? When God is acting immorally we must speak out against the behavior; we must love the sinner (in this case God) but hate the sin (in this case bigotry). It is absolutely on topic for this thread. When a Christian tries to transfer the blame for bigoted behavior to God (an act of blasphemy most likely) then we need to speak out against even God.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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It is also irrelevant. No one proposes stopping iano from telling his kids that it is a perversion.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 85 of 391 (596905)
12-17-2010 7:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 83 by iano
12-17-2010 7:00 PM
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Fortunately we are in the US
iano writes: Another is to prevent the normalisation of that which is considered perverse in the first place. Fortunately, here in the US, what some religion considers perverse cannot be used to deny civil rights.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 99 of 391 (596942)
12-18-2010 11:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 94 by iano
12-18-2010 7:03 AM
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still simply silly assertions.
iano writes: You don't see the normalisation of homosexual behaviour as damaging to society because you don't see it as perverse. And you have not shown that same sex marriages "normalizes" (whatever the hell that means) homosexuality. And perversion is NOT a valid reason to ban some act.
iano writes: And you, with your promotion of gay marriage trying to impose your worldview on the rest of us. More nonsense. Legalizing same sex marriages does not impose anything on you. You are still free to not marry someone of your sex, even free to think it is a perversion and teach your bigotry to your kids.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 112 of 391 (596992)
12-18-2010 10:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by ICdesign
12-18-2010 9:51 PM
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Does your behavior match your words?
ICDESIGN writes: In my opinion the hypocrisy is in you telling me I don't have a right to stand against a behavior I disagree with. Hey, if two guys want to blow each other in the privacy of their own wherever and use their outies as innies, that is their choice. I don't hate a person who engages in this behavior. Just because I vote against calling it normal behavior doesn't mean I am against the person. Its against the behavior and that is a huge difference. Of course, that has nothing to do with the topic. No one is telling you that you must consider same sex marriage as right, or normal, or approved. The only behavior under discussion is getting married. What married people do is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not they can marry. If YOUR chapter of Club Christian does not approve of homosexual behavior, then don't behave that way. If YOUR chapter of Club Christian does not approve of same sex marriages, then don't perform same sex marriages. BUT in the US, your religious prejudices count for nothing.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 117 of 391 (597003)
12-18-2010 10:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 114 by ICdesign
12-18-2010 10:32 PM
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Re: The Golden Rule
ICDESIGN writes: If I am in love with my dog and live with it as a spouse that may be my right but I don't have a right to ask society to call it normal and give me a thumbs up. And no one has said you cannot do that or that anyone else should deem it as normal. But that is also irrelevant to the discussion. If and when that topic comes up we can see what the law says. But now we are talking about same sex marriage and you and your doggie are irrelvant. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 126 of 391 (597025)
12-19-2010 12:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 124 by ICdesign
12-19-2010 12:11 AM
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Classic example of ICDESIGN's morality.
ICDESIGN writes: I probably would want it yeah. If was a rapist I would probably want everyone to tell me that was OK too. "Hey, I never really hurt anyone. If she is dressed sexy I have determined she wanted it". How revolting. So you are comparing same sex couples wanting the privileges and responsibility involved in the contract of marriage to raping someone. Well, we can see your morality clearly.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 146 of 391 (597058)
12-19-2010 10:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 143 by ICdesign
12-19-2010 10:09 AM
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More about honesty and accuracy versus muddy thinking.
The issue is that you seem to conflate two unrelated items, marriage and homosexual behavior. No one has even suggested that you approve of, condone or participate in homosexual behavior. The topic is not about homosexual behavior. The issue is marriage. What is your justification for denying the legal contract known as marriage to one particular group of citizens?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 153 of 391 (597067)
12-19-2010 12:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 132 by iano
12-19-2010 6:56 AM
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iano refuted.
iano writes: Show me in anything, other than in your atheistic, materialistic, rationalistic worldview that homosexuality is normal. Gene Robinson, Bishop (due to retire soon) of New Hampshire is openly gay and has been in a long term partnership for over 20 years. He is neither atheistic nor materialistic nor rationalistic. The Rev. Canon Mary D. Glasspool, newly elected bishop suffragan of the Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles is also openly gay and is another example of someone in a long term relationship that is not atheistic, materialistic or rationalistic. The Rev. Canon Michael Barlowe is another that is openly gay, and not atheistic, materialistic or rationalistic. There are three examples just off the top of my head. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 161 of 391 (597090)
12-19-2010 3:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 160 by ICdesign
12-19-2010 3:22 PM
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Before you rest your case ...
The issue is that you seem to conflate two unrelated items, marriage and homosexual behavior. No one has even suggested that you approve of, condone or participate in homosexual behavior. The topic is not about homosexual behavior. The issue is marriage. What is your justification for denying the legal contract known as marriage to one particular group of citizens? Edited by jar, : fix subtitle
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 163 of 391 (597094)
12-19-2010 4:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 162 by ICdesign
12-19-2010 4:21 PM
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Re: Before you rest your case ...
Did you see the topic title, "Hate the sin but love the person...except when voting?" Did you note the bolded section? If you love the sinner, "What is your justification for denying the legal contract known as marriage to one particular group of citizens?"
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 172 of 391 (597198)
12-20-2010 10:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 171 by iano
12-20-2010 10:47 AM
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reasoning?????
iano writes: If like me, you interpret the Bible to condemn homosexual behaviour, how would you reconcile your interpretation of the verses you list with an approach that would, in supporting homosexual marriage, propagate sin throughout society. Huh? How does allowing same sex marriage support propagating sin throughout society? What exactly is is about marriage that you consider sinful? AbE:
iano writes: I don't recall that to be the ministry of Jesus. His greated/least in the kingdom of God was addressed to Christians - not the population at large. I'm sorry but that is simply not true. Matthew 25:
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The Sheep and the Goats
31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
Note that All the nations will be gathered before him, not just Christians. If you actually read the passage it is the Goats that seem to be his followers. Edited by jar, : add Mat 25 stuff
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 197 of 391 (597289)
12-20-2010 7:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 195 by iano
12-20-2010 7:10 PM
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towards the topic
The issue is that you seem to conflate two unrelated items, marriage and homosexual behavior. No one has even suggested that you approve of, condone or participate in homosexual behavior. The topic is not about homosexual behavior. The issue is marriage. What is your justification for denying the legal contract known as marriage to one particular group of citizens?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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