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melatonin
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Message 274 of 304 (374199)
01-03-2007 8:49 PM


From what I gather, Chalmers makes the claim that physical matter may have non-physical properties which may underlie consciousness. This also leads to support for panpsychism (suggesting matter is dependent on mind).
I'm quite sure that given 50 years we'll have a solid materialist explanation. Cognitive and Affective neuroscience are pretty new sciences, it gives lots of space for philosophy, most of which is pretty unfalsifiable. Even defining qualia is an issue.

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Message 291 of 304 (374437)
01-04-2007 2:27 PM


You can watch one scientific 'mysterian' (in the nicest possible way) proponent of consciousness, Stuart Hameroff (quantum effect theory), at the beyond belief website (download and watch at leisure)...
http://beyondbelief2006.org/Watch/
Ramachandran's talk that follows Hameroff's is well worth the time too.
ABE: ahhh, they've changed the files from .mp4 to .gvp, you'll need the silly google video player to watch them.
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melatonin
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Message 295 of 304 (374526)
01-04-2007 5:37 PM
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01-04-2007 5:04 PM


No problem. Some very good presentations at the event. I'm really looking forward to this years event (november I think).
Hameroff gets a pretty hard time, heheh. I tend towards the idea that Dennett et al. are correct in that the 'hard problem' will dissolve with continued advances. The 'why' questions are always going to be raised, but with time it will fade. Cognitive-Affective neuroscience/neuropsychology/neurophysiology will just continue on pretty much ignoring the grand philosophical arguments.
It's all very interesting but at this point we are just piecing together the parts of the 'elephant' we focus on and I see no reason why we won't produce a valid explanation of the 'elephant' itself. But there is lots of room for philosophical analysis and hypothesis, but we need falsifiable objective approaches to apply science and that is why at this point, we will carry on regardless of the phenomenological crew.
We didn't even know what Brodmann area 10 of the PFC did less than 10 years ago, now we have a good insight into its functional nature thanks to Burgess and Frith et al. With time I'm sure we will get there.

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melatonin
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Message 298 of 304 (374549)
01-04-2007 6:31 PM
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01-04-2007 6:02 PM


Can't help you there Percy. They were orignally .mp4 files (I have a few on my HD), which I guess would either work in an iPod or be readily converted, but they have recently changed all the files to .gvp.
If you know how to get from divx to an ipod friendly format, the gvi converter software may be of use:
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But I think virtualdub, which is freeware, can convert google video to divx (.avi).
There are some really good discussions, and it also contains the moment Degrasse-Tyson gave Dawkins a verbal spanking.
ABE: right, scrub all the above blah.
If you go here, Percy...
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You can download each individual session file in Ipod friendly format via the 'download' link in each video (just click on each session link and change the download format to ipod/sonyPSP).
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