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nator
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Message 181 of 304 (316417)
05-30-2006 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by inkorrekt
05-30-2006 9:19 PM


Re: age of the earth
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The fundamental premise of evolution is that everything including the complex systems came into existence by self organization, random choice and mutations.
You forgot natural selection, which is the opposite of random.
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There is no evidence for these phenomenon.
Er, there's no evidence for mutation? Are you sure?
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Whatever evolution is failing to explain, ID only provides an alternative explanation.
What are some falsifiable predictions of ID?

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nator
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Message 238 of 304 (373951)
01-03-2007 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by TheMystic
01-03-2007 8:13 AM


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Re: all that other stuff about tree distributions or whatever; ok, I'm impressed with your knowledge, but it seems like a perfect example of "baffle 'em with bullshit".
Well, either it's "knowledge" or it's "bullshit".
If you agree that Quetzal knows what he's talking about regarding field Biology, since he's a field Biologist, then what he was explaining to you about species distribution in the forest wasn't "bullshit".
I understood what he was getting at, and he really didn't use any technical language or opaque terminology, you know.
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You see, every layman can tell that life, including our own bodies, are extraordinary pieces of work. I as a layman in biology have great suspicion about someone who claims to be an expert but doesn't recognize that simple point.
I don't think that anybody denies that our bodies are amazing.
They also have a lot of cobbled together, suboptimal design flaws.
Our knees and lower backs are incredibly vulnerable and weak.
We have a blind spot right in the middle of our retinas.
At birth, our heads are so large (because of big brains) that many, many infants and mothers died before the medical technology was developed to cut the baby out of the womb.
We have a sharp ridge of bone on the inside of our skulls that can tear brain tissue.
We have crossover air and food pipes which makes choking very common.

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nator
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Message 239 of 304 (373952)
01-03-2007 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by TheMystic
01-03-2007 8:31 AM


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The first evidence any of us have is our own consciousness. We must ask ourselves, how did I come to be what I am? Do I seem to be a product of random happenstance or done 'on purpose'? How you answer that question is the great divide in philosophy.
But what does any of this have to do with the change in allele frequencies in populations over time?

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nator
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Message 251 of 304 (374011)
01-03-2007 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by TheMystic
01-03-2007 10:03 AM


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In every design there are tradeoffs. You also assume a design goal for the human species, such as every offspring surviving. But I think I could sum it all up by saying, if you think you could do better then show me your design. I'll pay shipping and handling both ways, feed it while it's here too.
Who cares what I (or any human) could or couldn't design?
This is God we're talking about, right?
Why would the IDer/God design our bodies with such flaws?
Furthermore, why would the IDer/God design our bodies to appear as though many parts are merely "just good enough", and others "not very good at all"?
If the IDer designed us, it is a pretty poor designer, wouldn't you say?

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nator
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Message 252 of 304 (374012)
01-03-2007 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by TheMystic
01-03-2007 10:05 AM


You don't know what "change in allele frequencies over time" means, and yet you criticize the Theory of Evolution?

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nator
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Message 254 of 304 (374017)
01-03-2007 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by TheMystic
01-03-2007 11:19 AM


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Two microscopic cells can carry enough information to produce a human being, whose brain complexity is just one of the fabulous stories in that body?
A person's genes are only partially responsible for their brain development. A lot of it happens after birth, for years. That's why early childhood development is so important.
For a graphic illustration, check out info on feral children

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