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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 18 of 304 (243510)
09-14-2005 8:26 PM


How to Measure Complexity
A computer chip is a genius invention. It is relatively small yet it can store vast amounts of information. This invention showcases complexity: small object containing vast amount of information.
Whoever invented the modern computer chip designed something tiny that holds a lot of information.
Using this as a standard or gauge lets compare the computer chip with a single human cell:
“... there is enough information capacity in a single human cell to store the Encyclopaedia Britannica, all 30 volumes of it, three or four times over. ... There is enough storage capacity in the DNA of a single lily seed or a single salamander sperm to store the Encyclopaedia Britannica 60 times over. Some species of the unjustly called ”primitive’ amoebas have as much information in their DNA as 1,000 Encyclopaedia Britannicas.” Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, pp. 116-117.
Only a Deity could invent a object infinetly smaller than a chip and have it contain infinetly more information.
Complexity is measured in contrast to the best and most complex any intelligent person can produce. Identify these complexities wherever they are and the complexities in created/living things are infinetly more complex. IOW, the brilliance of an IDer is best seen and understood next to the second best anyone can find.
Can any Darwinist describe or re-phrase the Dawkins quote without using terminology inferring design ?
It takes the most brilliant men in our society to figure out nature and biology, it takes intelligence to communicate the findings, but it didn't take intelligence to produce creation. IOW, blind dunces called Chance and Accident are stumping the scientific community.
No, what is apparent is that the status quo refuse to credit a Creator lest they give what they hate any legitimacy.
Has anyone ever wondered why there are 60,000,000 definitions of Natural Selection ?
If you put 10 Darwinists in a room they will produce 16 different definitions of Natural Selection. The REASON there is no one universal defintion of Natural Selection is because of the awesome complexity of nature.
We now know complexity is the mark and m.o. of the Divine - which is logical. The brighter You/you are the increased capacity to understand and produce complexity. IC systems showcase Divine complexity.
The inability to produce one coherent and universal definition of Natural Selection is because nature is extremely complex, IOW God has produced a cosmology so complex He has confused Darwinian ranks attempting to define the mechanism which produced the complexity.
IOW, the infinite definitions of Natural Selection prove the IDer.
Herepton
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Message 20 of 304 (243516)
09-14-2005 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Chiroptera
09-14-2005 8:30 PM


Re: How to Measure Complexity
Your subtitle says, "How to Measure Complexity", but I don't see any methods for this measurement.
Hi Chiroptera:
You have a funny way of admitting your inability to refute. The methods were explained. I evidenced two: computer chip v. human cell and the complexity of nature contrasted next to the inability of Darwinists to produce one universal definition of Natural Selection.
Herepton
This message has been edited by Herepton, 09-14-2005 08:51 PM

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Message 31 of 304 (244690)
09-18-2005 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Chiroptera
09-15-2005 11:00 AM


Re: How to Measure Complexity
Your deprecation of my post is curious. As others have pointed out, you did not at all explain any methods of measuring complexity. You mentioned two items: a computer chip and a human cell. But you did not explain how one measures the complexity of either.
Measurement implies that there is a number associated with these items, called its "complexity". What is the complexity of the computer chip? This should be a number. What is the complexity of a human cell? This, too, should be a number. You are claiming that the first number is less than the second, but unless you actually supply these numbers I'm not sure why I should believe you.
Hi Bat Friend:
But then you do understand what I am saying ?
Obviously I did not postulate a mathematical measurement and/or equation.
FACT: The brighter a person is equals the increased ability, capacity, and capability to understand and produce complexity.
Computer chip v. human cell.
The person who designed the cell is infinetly more brighter based on the known disparity between the two objects. The chip can accurately be likened to computers of the 1950's that took up the space equal to entire floors. The cell is a lap top.
Complexity is measured by comparison to known undisputed examples. Any astronomic disparity in favor of increased complexity equals ID unless of course your philisophy does not allow the conclusion.
Henry Herepton the Reptile

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