Is the bible authoritive and truly inspired?

ok. i am trying to follow you here so thanks for your patients.Are you are saying that the area only became known as the land of Chaldea, after a race of people called 'chaldean' lived there?

Yes.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

ok, so where did the chaldeans come from? They must have stemmed from some existing tribe... are you aware of where they originated from?

Try this There seems to be little known as to the actual place that they migrated from.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

But if there were purported writings by James Cook saying he had charted the coast of "Australia" we would know that they were not legitimate writings. He called it New South Wales. Prior to that the Dutch new it as New Holland.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

that article doesnt convince me that the bible is wrong in mentioning the name chaldea. There are 3 possible and plausible explanations.this is the first possibility:

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The term "Chaldaic," for the language spoken by the Chaldeans, does not occur in the Bible. What has been popularly signified under that name is properly called "Aramean" in Dan. ii. 4. The Chaldeans of course spoke Babylonian in the days of the prophet Daniel; but when the Book of Daniel was composed here (second century B.C.), Aramean had come to be used by all classes throughout Babylonia.E. G. H. J. F. McC.

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it ties in with what i have said earlier...that, as later scribes made copies of previous scriptures, in this case the book of Daniel, they updated to newer/modern terms where necessary.Or 2. It may be that Moses did not himself write that Abraham was from 'Ur of the Chaldeans' This is what an english translation reads. However, If you look at the hebrew, it says 'Ur of Chaldea'
So Moses could have been referencing the 'land' and not the 'people'.The Hebrew "Kasdim" (generally without the article) usually designates the Chaldeans as a people SOMETIMES ALSO THEIR COUNTRY (Jer. l. 10; li. 24, 35; Ezek. xi. 24, xvi. 29, xxiii. 15 et seq.)Personally, i think moses was making reference to the Land. Have you found any evidence that the land of chaldee was not called the land of chaldee in ancient times? Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

Which still was not called Chaldea until the Chaldeans conquered it.
The point is there is no evidence that Moses wrote any of the Bible, the likely scenario, as accepted by a number of people, many being religious scholars, is that the stories were handed down, by word of mouth, from generation to generation and compiled at different times between ~950BCE & ~500BCE after Israel adopted the Phoenician alphabet, during the reign of Solomon.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

i agree that the later copies of the Pentateuch were not written by Moses, its no mystery that the scribes were the ones who made copies of the lawbut its pretty clear that Moses was the one directed by God to put the law into writing, which he did in pictograph form, and for this reason it was always known as the 'law of Moses'the fact that he didnt write the copies, which began to be produced after his death, does not detract from the messag or the truthfulness of the accounts. It only matters that the law given to him was recorded and copies of it were made. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

So you have finally come to the point to admit he did not write the first books of the bible?

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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i agree that the later copies of the Pentateuch were not written by Moses, its no mystery that the scribes were the ones who made copies of the law

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Surely you jest!
Cognitive dissonance is amazing to watch.

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but its pretty clear that Moses was the one directed by God to put the law into writing, which he did in pictograph form, and for this reason it was always known as the 'law of Moses'

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Although you don't seem to understand anachronisms, let's try a different path.I'm sure this will be lost on you, but we'll give it a go. Show me evidence that the Book of the Law mentioned in Deuteronomy actually refers to the first five books of the OT or any of the first five books. Evidence, not tradition or your own brand of fiction please.If we look at the way the book is referred to within Deuteronomy, the Book of the Law is not Deuteronomy. The book he handed them was supposedly finished.Even the blessing of Moses doesn't support that Deuteronomy is the book of the law.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

hey I dont think i ever claimed that he wrote every copyhow could he??there has been a lot of talk about the copyists and who they were and how they worked. The claim made by many in this thread is that he didnt write the law, ie the Pentateuch. I still maintain that he did write the originals, but of course the copies were made by the scribes.

Ok maybe we are getting somewhere. You admit these copyists made some changes. For example, changed Babylon to Chaldea? Correct? That is what you admitted to a couple posts ago.If the words were truly authoritative and inspired, how do you know what parts are original and what parts are changes from the copyists?Chaldea is an obvious anachronism, why do you not think the copyists would change something else or make an error? Or were they inspired too?

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ok, so if I cannot show you evidence by tradition, which is what is passed down from generation to generation
will you accept the internal evidence in the writings themselves? Im guessing not, but here goes lolEzra wrote 2chronicles in 460bce

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2 Chronicles 34:14"Now while they were bringing out the money that was being brought to the house of Jehovah, Hilki′ah the priest found the book of Jehovah’s law by the hand of Moses.
So Hilki′ah answered and said to Sha′phan the secretary: The very book of the law I have found in the house of Jehovah. With that Hilki′ah gave the book to Sha′phan.

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Jerimiah wrote his account of the same incident in 580 bce.

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2Kings22:8Later Hilki′ah the high priest said to Sha′phan the secretary: The very book of the law I have found in the house of Jehovah. So Hilki′ah gave the book to Sha′phan, and he began to read it.... And Sha′phan began to read it before the king.

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If these accounts are true, then the book that moses wrote with his own hand was found hidden in the temple which was left ruined by war. Josiah was the king so we know the dates were from 659-628BCE.Yes, i know, your thinking that this does not say what the book of the law consists of. and it doesnt, it is simply called 'the book of the law' The point of this is to take note of where in the stream of time the book was found...but by going back, we can see internal evidence of which books were the 'book of the law'After the death of Moses, God spoke to Joshua and gave him instructions and set him as the new leader of the nation.

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Joshua 1:1 And it came about after the death of Moses the servant of Jehovah that Jehovah proceeded to say to Joshua the son of Nun, the minister of Moses: Moses my servant is dead; and now get up, cross this Jordan, you and all this people, into the land that I am giving to them, to the sons of Israel.
7.Only be courageous and very strong to take care to do according to all the law that Moses my servant commanded you.
8.This book of the law should not depart from your mouth, and you must in an undertone read in it day and night, in order that you may take care to do according to all that is written in it

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VS9.9Have I not commanded you? Be courageous and strong. Do not suffer shock or be terrified, for Jehovah your God is with you wherever you go.

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this is internal evidence that after Moses had died, the writings of law was passed onto Joshua. Joshua himself wrote the book named Joshua and from where did he get his information???
In verse 8 above, Joshua is clearly paraphrasing a part of Deuteronomy 17:19-20

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"And it must continue with him, and he must read in it all the days of his life, in order that he may learn to fear Jehovah his God so as to keep all the words of this law and these regulations by doing them; that his heart may not exalt itself above his brothers and that he may not turn aside from the commandment to the right or to the left, in order that he may lengthen his days upon his kingdom, he and his sons in the midst of Israel.

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Now look at what Joshua says in vs 9 Have I not commanded you? Be courageous and strong. Do not suffer shock or be terrified, for Jehovah your God is with you wherever you go."He is now using Moses words from Deut 31:8

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"And Jehovah is the one marching before you. He himself will continue with you. He will neither desert you nor leave you entirely. Do not be afraid or be terrified."

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So Deuteronomy was clearly a part of the 'book of the law'Joshua also uses accounts from Genesis in his writings.

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Joshua 24:32 "And Joseph’s bones, which the sons of Israel had brought up out of Egypt, they buried in Shechem in the tract of the field that Jacob had acquired from the sons of Hamor, Shechem’s father, for a hundred pieces of money; and it came to belong to the sons of Joseph as an inheritance"

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Genesis 50:24-26 "At length Joseph said to his brothers: I am dying; but God will without fail turn his attention to YOU, and he will certainly bring YOU up out of this land to the land about which he swore to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob.
Hence Joseph made the sons of Israel swear, saying: God will without fail turn his attention to YOU. Accordingly YOU must take my bones up out of here. After that Joseph died at the age of a hundred and ten years; and they had him embalmed, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.

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Joshua also confirmed Moses words about the nations being driven off the land by dejection from Exodus.

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Joshua 24:11 "Then YOU went crossing the Jordan and came to Jericho. And the landowners of Jericho, the Amorites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Girgashites, the Hivites and the Jebusites began fighting against YOU; but I gave them into YOUR hand.
So I sent the feeling of dejection ahead of YOU, and it gradually drove them out before YOUtwo kings of the Amoritesnot with your sword and not with your bow.
Thus I gave YOU a land for which YOU had not toiled and cities that YOU had not built, and YOU took up dwelling in them. Vineyards and olive groves that YOU did not plant are what YOU are eating."

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Exodus 23:28-30 28And I will send the feeling of dejection ahead of you, and it will simply drive the Hivites, the Canaanites and the Hittites out from before you.
I shall not drive them out from before you in one year, that the land may not become a desolate waste and the wild beasts of the field really multiply against you.
Little by little I shall drive them out from before you, until you become fruitful and really take possession of the land.

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Joshua also confirmes that the tribes and numbers counted by Moses in the book of Numbers, was a part of Moses writings by implementing the instructions Moses gave.

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Joshua 14:1-2 " Now this is what the sons of Israel took as a hereditary possession in the land of Canaan, which Eleazar the priest and Joshua the son of Nun and the heads of the fathers of the tribes of the sons of Israel caused them to inherit.
Their inheritance was by lot, just as Jehovah had commanded by means of Moses for the nine tribes and the half tribe."

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Numbers 34:17 "17These are the names of the men who will divide the land to YOU people for a possession, Eleazar the priest and Joshua the son of Nun"
Numbers 26:55 "Only by the lot should the land be apportioned. According to the names of the tribes of their fathers they should get an inheritance.

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And now back to when Josiah found the book of the law in the year 659BCE... this was physical evidence that what had been called 'the book of the law' in not only the Pentateuch, but also in practically every book of the bible, was still known as the book of the law of Moses.Internally, the evidence is strong and there is not one bible writer who disagrees with the writings of Moses. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

the sopherim did make intentional changes. One example is with regard to the name of God, Jehovah. It had always been written by the four hebrew letters YWHY and is known as the tetragrammaton. Later copies of the scriptures show 134 places where the sopherim changed the original Hebrew text to read Adonay ["Lord"] instead of YHWH ["Jehovah"]. While they made a really bad decision to make this change, they did make notations of where they had made changes so that subsequent scholars would know what the text originally said. I cant say why they changed some things. There are a few possiblities such as they thought they were keeping the names of places and people up to date, or perhaps in the case of the chaldea, we have the wrong idea ourselves...maybe by coincidence the land really was known as chaldee. Perhaps the chaldean people named themselves after the land that they came to possess???but the copiests themselves were not inspired, they were performing a job. This is probably why they took liberty to make changes at times. The only inspired writers were those who wrote the books themselves. This is also why there are some errors, but they are usually only grammatical errors or slight spelling mistakes.
The dead sea scrolls have proved beyond all doubt that the bible we have today is the same as that which was used in ancient times.

Evidence please.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008