Peg writes:
If you look closely at the greek alphabet and the Hebrew, you'll see that it more closely resembles Hebrew then Phoenician.
False.
Below are the descriptions of the Old Hebrew and Phonecian alphabets at
Old Hebrew and
Phonecian.
Specifically it states this:
Ancient Scripts writes:
The Phoenician script is an important "trunk" in the alphabet tree, in that many modern scripts can be traced through it. Arabic, Hebrew, Latin, and Greek scripts are all descended from Phoenician.
Also corroborated at Wikipedia:
According to contemporary scholars, the original Hebrew script developed alongside others in the region during the course of the late second and first millennia BCE; it is closely related to the Phoenician script, which itself probably gave rise to the use of alphabetic writing in Greece (Greek). It is sometimes claimed that around the 10th century BCE [1][verification needed] a distinct Hebrew variant, the original "Hebrew script", emerged, which was widely used in the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah until they fell in the 8th and 6th centuries BCE, respectively. It is not straightforward, however, to distinguish Israelite/Judahite scripts from others which were in use in the immediate area, most notably by the Moabites and Ammonites.
Following the Babylonian exile, Jews gradually stopped using the Hebrew script, and instead adopted the Aramaic script (another offshoot of the same family of scripts). This script, used for writing Hebrew, later evolved into the Jewish, or "square" script, that is still used today[citation needed]. Closely related scripts were in use all over the Middle East for several hundred years, but following the rise of Christianity (and later, the rise of Islam), they gave way to the Roman and Arabic alphabets, respectively.
The Hebrew alphabet was later adapted in order to write down the languages of the Jewish diaspora (Karaim, Judo-Arabic, Ladino, Yiddish, etc.), and was retained all the while in relatively unadapted form throughout the diaspora for Hebrew, which remained the language of Jewish law, scriptures and scholarship. The Hebrew alphabet was also retained as the alphabet used for writing down the Hebrew language during its rebirth as an everyday modern language starting in the 18th to 19th century.
The Jewish Encyclopedia found here
ALPHABET, THE HEBREW:
Origin of Hebrew Alphabet by Dr. Mark Lidzbarsky, Privat-Docent of Semitic Philology at the University of Kiel, Germany writes:
The characters of the Hebrew Alphabet are derived from the so-called Phenician or Old Semitic letters, to which almost all systems of letters now in use, even the Roman, can be traced. But this latter is in mediate relation only to the original source, while the Hebrew Alphabet has kept closer to the primitive signs.
'A History of the Hebrew Language' by Dr. Prof. Angel Senz-Badillos, Hebrew Professor at the Hebrew Department at Complutense University of Madrid, Spain.
'A History of the Hebrew Language' writes:
Phonecian writing is a continuation of the Proto-Canaanite system, and from these developed the Paleo-Hebrew script (c. 800 BCE) and the Aramaic script c. 700 BCE), which was adopted by Hebrew after the Babylonian exile...Generally, a writing system was adapted to the phonemics of a particular languag - in this respect, it is noteworthy that the system employed by the Phonecian, the ancestor of the Hebrew and Aramaic scipts, had by the twelfth century BCE already dropped five characters, reflecting the fact that Phonecian has just twenty-two consonantal phonemes.
Also on the Greek alphabet's decended from the ancient Phonecian alphabet which itself decended from the Proto-Sinaitic cuneiformic alphabet of Canaan which again is descended from the cuneiform alphabets of ancient Egypt and Sumeria:
Old Hebrew Alphabet (10th century BCE to 1st century CE) also co-evolved from the Proto-Sinaitic/early Phonecian alphabet :
Early Phonecian Alphabet (1100 BCE to 300 CE):
and the various versions of ancient Greek (from the different Greek city-states):
Peg writes:
but you are right to say its Phoenician, so long as you take into account that Phoenician is derived from other semitic languages.
I just stated that in
Message 70.
Myself writes:
Actually,the Greek alphabet was derived from the Phonecian alphabet
which is itself derived from pro-Canaanite/Sumerian cuneiform alphabets.
So are you admiting you are wrong and that ancient Greek does not derive directly from Hebrew? That is, we both agree that both ancient Greek and Hebrew derive from early Phonenian/Cananite languages which themselves are derived from the languages of Sumeria and ancient Egypt.
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