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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
archaeologist writes:
Yes, it was.
and i have answered you--the Bible wasn't changed. we have the original words that God spoke or God lied and didn't keep His promise.
Since we don't have the originals, I guess that leaves the option of god lying in your false dichotomy. Have you ever thought of another option, like, men changed it regardless of god's promise?
just because forgeries are put out there doesn't mean that God's word changed, it just means it is a little more work and a little harder to find the correct mss and translations.
And how would you determine what the "correct" ones are, since you have no originals to compare them to?
What was GOd's word to Adam, to Moses, to David, Zto The disciples is still God's word.
You don't know, you weren't there, and nobody was there to record them at that point in time.
your argument is like claiming that because there is counterfeit money out there america changed its money.
America did change it's money.
that is a ridiculous argument.
Since it did in fact change, both in value as in looks, I wouldn't call it ridiculous.
this is a problem with dealing with unbelievers in discussions concerning the Bible. you want a strict, one way to do everything and if it doesn't follow your ideas then there is a problem with the Bible.
Since it is you who is like this, I would suggest you stop projecting.
you all forget that even today people forget words to the Bible and 'paraphrase', or 'or leave words out' or 'substitute the wrong ones' but that doesn't mean they are changing the Bible or what it says.
No, since it was already changed in the past.
get a little realistic in your criticism of God's word.
We are not critisizing god's word, we are critisizing the people who wrote it down and changed it.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
archaeologist writes:
Yes it was (getting tired of blind assertion yet?)
asked and answered--it wasn't changed. moot. then God still didn't keep His word.
Yes he did, he preserved it, men were the once that chnaged it.
we have the originals, God promised to prreserve His word.
Please point me to the original manuscripts then.
Your argument i sbart ehrman's and this is his main point--we do not have the originals so we can't be sure what was written. yet, according to his argument, if we do not have theoriginals then he cannot say there were scribal errors for we do not know what the originals said. it works both ways using that line of thinking.
But we have examples of differeing texts of the same passage. We can't say which ones were the "original" ones, so we know it was changed.
and you cannot say the God's word was changed either. By the way Craig Evans mentioned that we have 99.9% of the Bible
Then he's a liar.
now you are just getting nit-picky because they only changed some features NOT the money itself--there are still 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, & 100 dollar denominations and still on paper.
There are a lot of denominations that aren't made anymore (half cents, for example, or bills larger than $ 100). And dollars today are printed on cotton, not on paper.
no, you are criticizing God for failing to keep His promise, according to your argument.
No I'm not. I think I know what argument I am making.
you also cannot prove that man changed His words, you do not have the originals to compare with.
We have however several versions of texts, which proves they were changed.
as i said, God's word is the same, from the beginning onward.
Sure, we just don't know what those words were.
as i said, God's word is the same, from the beginning onward. if you cannot trust God to keep His promise forthislittle thing of preserving His word, thenhow can you trust Him about heaven, salvation, security protection etc.?
I never said god didn't keep his promise, I said men changed it regardless. You can't know what the original words were. God could've easily preserved it, it's just that we have no way of telling what the original texts were. you cannot claim they were unchanged, you don't know if they were.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
archaeologist writes:
No you're not. You're making stuff up.
but i am not doing blind assertion, i am looking at all the facts which you are ignoring. there is so much you do not know about the dpiritual world, you keep trying to put this on a humanlevel so you can feel justified in not believing.
Actually, it's you who know nothing of it, I've been in "the know" since my birth, having a close relationship to all things supernatural.
you have proven my point why it is impossible to have a good and honest discussion with an unbeliever.
You're quite right, dicussing with you (an unbeliever) is very pointless. I enjoy it nonetheless.
they reject any evidence they do not like or can't refute.
Quite right, we see you do this all the time. Not srtange, since you are, in fact, an unbeliever.
he isn't the only one saying that.
Then he isn't the only one lying.
there is no real point in continuing discussion with you.
Of course not, you, being an unbeliever, will deny anything I say anyway, even though it's the truth.
we do know.
No you don't.
again, you just want excuses to ignore God's word and trust science.
No, you want to believe your personal, and very wrong, beliefs about god and so don't want to belief the truth and lead people away from it.
not worth giving you more details.
You don't have any more details, let alone the original texts.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
archaeologist writes:
Yes, and they are not called unicorns. yet where does the Bible teach that the 'unicorn' is a one horned horse? there were and are other one horned animals in existance. Edited by Huntard, : did quote wrong
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
John 10:10 writes:
The adultery itself went pretty sweetly for him. You know what didn't go over well? Getting caught at it. As for adultry, ask Tiger how well it went for him? Also, I've been in the habit of breaking some of god's moral laws as well, I have not stoned any disobedient children, nor have I beat any slaves to within an inch of their lives. I am having a pretty sweet life though. Guess his moral laws aren't all that they are cracked up to be.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
John 10:10 writes:
Since that will never happen, I guess there will be no evidence forthcoming.
You will have all the evidence you want when you meet the One who speaks from Rev 1:17-18.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
John 10:10 writes:
So, what you're saying is that god has a very important message to convey to humanity, a message everyone must hear, yet he failed so completely at communicating that message that only a small portion of all people actually understood it? Man, I don't know how your god will feel about calling him incompetent...
The Bible does no such thing. The Bible is God's "whole counsel" on how God has chosen to reveal Himself to man, and how man can come into right relationship with Him through the Lord Jesus Christ. There will be only one denomination that will live with God forever, those that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Hey, aren't you supposed to be suspended? (See Message 91)
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