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cavediver
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Message 143 of 386 (574282)
08-15-2010 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by archaeologist
08-13-2010 5:41 AM


Peg writes:
3. How do we know the writings we have today are the same as they were written by the original men who wrote it.
because God promised to preserve His word. if He didn't then He lied and would not be God and there would be no hope or salvation for man.
And if the parts of the Bible where God promises to preserve his word (assuming for the minute that this actually occurs in the Bible) happen to be those parts that were changed?
Why do bootstraps suddenly come to mind?

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cavediver
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Message 146 of 386 (574411)
08-15-2010 6:07 PM
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08-15-2010 5:50 PM


no parts were changed.
Really? And you know this how? Because the very text you claim is unchanged makes the claim that it is unchanged?

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cavediver
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Message 157 of 386 (574888)
08-18-2010 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by archaeologist
08-18-2010 8:52 AM


as i said, God's word is the same, from the beginning onward. if you cannot trust God to keep His promise for this little thing of preserving His word, then how can you trust Him about heaven, salvation, security protection etc.?
I think this is a very good point. Given how many variations we have in translations, how early mss show differences across them, how various books have obviously been extended over time, it is blatently obvious that the Bible has been changed countless times. Saying that the changes are minor so do not matter, or that larger changes are a sign of heresy, simply does not refute the charge that the Bible has changed.
And so the conclusion by your own reasoning must be that we cannot trust your god when it comes to heaven, salvation, security protection, etc.

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