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gene90
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Message 95 of 154 (256314)
11-02-2005 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Brian
10-23-2005 5:55 AM


OT observations
The biggest trouble the site seems to have is how quickly YECs get burned out and leave. This doesn't happen so much with evos so you get a rapid enrichment.
Let's face it:
* They're outnumbered by a large margin.
* On average, they aren't so well informed.
* The rules of engagment here are very stringent. In fact, some topics the newcoming YECs (and almost all the YECs we have are going to be newcomers) have already been beaten to death so they're retired or otherwise *done*. If you're seeking final philosophical truth or in a debate club exercise, this is definately the way to go, but I don't think that's the usual YEC mindset. I think they argue for entertainment (as do I, and I'm sure others). I also think they have an unrealistic expectation that they can copy-and-paste in stuff from Hovind and win. They don't stick around once that balloon bursts because nobody likes to lose---constantly.
* The ones we tend to keep are the best of pack. They actually are interested in science for science's sake, keep a cool head, and listen to what people have to say...even outnumbered five to one. People of this caliber are hard to find in any group, I wish I could manage all of those things at once. The part about liking science is rare enough in YECs, and by itself is a formidable filter.
This isn't all bad. There are so many people here who know so much about science-related topics this site is the one I would come to ask about technical topics that maybe I'm not clear one. Further, despite the YEC desertification it's still interesting enough that I continue to return after long leaves of absence. Of course, part of that is because I've been around here a while.
Does TO have these problems?
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gene90
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Message 98 of 154 (256321)
11-02-2005 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by nwr
11-02-2005 5:41 PM


Re: Retire PNT it is pointless
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I'm not sure whether creationism is in the doldrums. Maybe they have received too much attention with their ID nonsense, and they can't stand the heat.
Heh. Maybe. I know you can still find them on the 'net without too much trouble.
TO has been around forever, though, and I expect they have some high-caliber users like this site does, and suspect that they should have a turnover rate like ours. If they can stay afloat, this site can too.

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gene90
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Message 100 of 154 (256326)
11-02-2005 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Nighttrain
11-02-2005 5:53 PM


Re: The Formula
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Regardless of how many creationists we turn away, regardless of how many (or few) converts we make, the fact remains that we have a low success rate with our arguments. If we can`t impress low numbers, how then can we find a formula for mass conversions in the real world?
I tend to not think of "conversion" as a realistic goal. "Mutual respect" is usually the best feasible result. It comes when science based beliefs and faith-based beliefs are in the classroom and church, respectively.
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gene90
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Message 104 of 154 (256331)
11-02-2005 6:21 PM
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11-02-2005 6:19 PM


Re: The Formula
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I doubt you can get mutual respect with a mindset that regards non-believers as infidels at best and evil at worst. Now if we can only 'convert' the mindset to a more rational basis for dialogue.
I have to agree with you here. Your prior comment about rational thinking is sensible.

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gene90
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Message 115 of 154 (256546)
11-03-2005 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by crashfrog
11-03-2005 5:18 PM


Re: The Formula
Well, it partly depends on what kind of "debate" you want to have.
I don't suppose you "have" to show any deference at all. I mean, if you see nothing at all offensive with comparing God to "spaghetti monsters" it's fine as long as the owners of the board are okay with it.
Just don't be surprised when Creationists get really scarce.
Oh, wait a second...
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gene90
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Message 120 of 154 (256560)
11-03-2005 6:21 PM
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11-03-2005 6:14 PM


Re: The Formula
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A delusional person who was absolutely convinced that they were the historical Napoleon might also be offended when we tell him that he's wrong.
And you're absolutely correct on that point, Crashfrog.
The question I asked, though, is do you want there to be Napoleon-imitators around to argue with? Or not?
I mean, if your only purpose is to see how many of them you can piss off in a given period of time, this kind of behavior makes great sense.
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