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Message 113 of 154 (256538)
11-03-2005 4:28 PM

Reply to: Message 108 by GDR
11-02-2005 11:45 PM

Rudeness

GDR writes:

... on this forum I continuously see my faith being compared to Santa Claus, the tooth fairy etc.

What is rude is taking the attitude that your "most fundamental belief" is more important or valid than somebody else's "most fundamental belief". Who are you to decide that a belief in God/Jesus is more acceptable than a belief in Santa Claus? (Don't get me started on the tooth fairy - there hasn't been a red cent under my pillow in years.)

It seems to me that ridiculing people's most fundamental beliefs is hardly reasoned argument.

In most cases, I don't think it is the beliefs themselves that are being "ridiculed". Young-earth creationism is a ridiculous position to take, by any reasoned argument. If people set up their god as a YEC god, then they are bringing ridicule on themselves.

I fully understand why you lose people like Faith and other Christians.

I, for one, don't consider Faith a "loss". She shoved her brand of "Christianity" in everybody's face and then whined the paint off the walls if anybody dared to disagree with her. If there ever was a poster child for rudeness, it was Faith.

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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Message 121 of 154 (256574)
11-03-2005 6:56 PM

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11-03-2005 5:59 PM

Re: Rudeness

GDR writes:

I'm only giving an opinion on why I believe that there are so few Biblical literalists or Christians in general left on this forum.

Your opinion is noted.

My opinion is that Bible literalists and "Christians"^* do not leave because they are insulted. They leave because their opinions are not swallowed hook, line and sinker. They leave because they don't have "reasoned arguments" to back up their opinions. They leave, in fact, because they do think their opinions are superior - and don't need reasoned arguments.

They leave because the bar is set too high for them.

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^*By the way, there are a lot of Christians here who are not in the "swallow my opinions whole or I'll run away" camp.

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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Message 138 of 154 (256790)
11-04-2005 12:43 PM

Reply to: Message 137 by GDR
11-04-2005 10:51 AM

Applause vs derision

GDR} writes:

I was able to have discussions with Faith without resorting to name calling and labelling.

I don't think I ever called Faith names, yet she felt free to call me names. I'm sure many others could say the same thing. So, how do you figure she was "driven" away?

Evangelical Atheists seem to be applauded, but evangelical YECs are treated with derision.

I don't see that at all. I would challenge you to quote a dozen or so threads in which "evangelical atheism" is expressed - and another dozen in which that expression is applauded.

And it isn't so much the evangelical YECs themselves who are being derided - it's their ideas. And their ideas are being derided both scientifically and Biblically.

The problem here is not that there's a double standard - if anything, the YECs are given too much leeway. The problem is that the YECs have nothing but their belief. When their belief is challenged, all they can do is whine and run away.

When YECs drive by with their empty ideas, the scientifically-minded have no choice but to expose that emptiness. The site is called "Evolution versus Creation" after all - not "Creationist Soapbox".

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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Message 142 of 154 (256831)
11-04-2005 3:16 PM

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11-04-2005 1:42 PM

Re: Applause vs derision

GDR writes:

... she felt she was being drawn into responding in kind to the posts of others.

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... both points of view should be respected and in order to do that one has to accept that, it is legitimate to express as evidence something that isn't scientific.

So, where do you draw the line? What constitutes "legitimate" evidence and what does not? Should The Big Book of Fairies be considered evidence alongside the Bible?

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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