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Author Topic:   Fundamentalists (of all stripes) at it again (Re: Textbook Wars: Religion in History)
Asgara
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Message 32 of 194 (281881)
01-26-2006 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by randman
01-26-2006 11:36 PM


Re: multi-culturalism
Not saying you are definately wrong Rand, but am definately saying your's is NOT the only version of the situation in Sudan.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm
TOTAL deaths over 20+ years possibly adds up to 2m, NOT just Xian.
http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/hist/disasters-war.html
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/su.html
Sudan population - 40m
Xian - 5% (hint hint 2m)
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/601
"There is clear, independently-sourced, evidence that American Churches and Christians are being grievously misled with regard to the situation in Sudan. On more than one occasion American church groups such as Servant's Heart have made very serious claims about Sudanese government forces which were subsequently proved untrue. Sudan has been at war, off and on, since 1955."

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Asgara
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Message 34 of 194 (281885)
01-27-2006 12:11 AM
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01-27-2006 12:04 AM


Re: multi-culturalism
Stats is stats...mine, yours, ours.
All I said was that your's is NOT the only version of the story.
Please show how the numbers listed in my links are wrong and yours are correct.
I am sure there are folks out there, like the Holocaust deniers, that try to deny the reports...
Wow, so anyone who doesn't automatically believe one interpretation of the numbers is compared to a holocaust denier? You are assuming your version is correct.
I'm sure there are folks out there, like the boy who cried wolf, that try to deny the reports....

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Asgara
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Message 43 of 194 (281894)
01-27-2006 12:29 AM
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01-27-2006 12:15 AM


Re: multi-culturalism
That 1.9m is the high number I've seen, and there is nothing that differentiates between who was killed. Your guess that the vast majority of those deaths are xian is just that...your guess.
Its a war Rand, both sides die. It is a war based on politics and autonomy, just because part of one side is xian doesn't make the war a religious war. Unless you have some official numbers then both our links are nothing but empty numbers.
Sudan Civil War
Interesting history of the wars in the Sudan.

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Asgara
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Message 47 of 194 (281899)
01-27-2006 12:38 AM
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01-27-2006 12:35 AM


Re: multi-culturalism
Except rand, you only seem to care because you think it is xians getting killed.
If it was all islamic you wouldn't be so worried about the death toll.
You seem to think that since we don't buy your xian persicution paranoia that no one cares about the deaths in the Sudan. You are wrong, we just don't care about the only reason you seem to.
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Not simply a North-South, Arab-African, Muslim-Christian, or Government-SPLA conflict, the region's troubles are myriad and not easily reducible to simple dichotomies. Unfortunately, the norm in the Western media has been to eschew in-depth, penetrating analysis on Sudan and to substitute it with a more convenient reversion to hackneyed terms and journalistic rhetoric.
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Asgara
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Message 49 of 194 (281901)
01-27-2006 12:45 AM
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01-27-2006 12:43 AM


Re: multi-culturalism
The hatred isn't of Christianity per se...it is of a particular brand of Christianity that thinks they are better than everyone else, have the only truth, and wish to force that view on others.
Disbelief isn't hate, disagreement isn't hate, questioning isn't hate...though things take a turn for the worse every time they are label as hate.
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Asgara
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Message 173 of 194 (284783)
02-07-2006 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Buzsaw
02-07-2006 9:01 PM


Re: Fundimentalism, as per message 1, is not just Christian fundamentalism
I believe the search isn't for any secular lobbying group per se. Percy seems to be looking for a group that bypasses the regular science channels and goes directly to school boards and textbook publishers to push their view point.

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