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Author Topic:   Fundamentalists (of all stripes) at it again (Re: Textbook Wars: Religion in History)
crashfrog
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Message 3 of 194 (281558)
01-25-2006 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by randman
01-25-2006 4:42 PM


Re: multi-culturalism
Really? It sounds to me like, after watching oh-so-offended Christians get their way about having secular textbooks redacted in their favor, all the other religions want a piece of the action, too.
Can't offend anyone, except Christians of course.
Are you kidding? All we hear from Christians are complaints about how deeply they've been offended by books they haven't actually read or movies or TV shows they haven't actually seen. NBC just canceled "Book of Daniel" because of how deeply the program offended all the Christians who had never actually watched it.

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crashfrog
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Message 6 of 194 (281564)
01-25-2006 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by randman
01-25-2006 4:55 PM


Re: multi-culturalism
Crash, Christians have begun to voice their opinion, and some have pulled shows because they will lose money, but no sane, objective person would deny that one of the few groups you can openly mock and express the vilest hatred of are Christians.
Really? Because I can turn on the radio and hear Sean Hannity, Bill O'Rielly, and Michael Savage spew vile hatred at everybody but. Replace "Christian" in your paragraph with "liberal" and I'd say you have a true statement. Christians, though? Probably the least persecuted members of our society. You might have noticed that they have control of all three branches of government, and that the President has been a Christian for the past, oh, all of our nation's history. They're the only religion recieving direct Federal funding in the form of Bush's "faith-based" initiatives. They've got three channels, just for themselves, on extended cable. Their religious celebrations are all national holidays. Man, sucks to be them, doesn't it? If that's oppression, chain me to the wall, already.
Just take any mean-spirited commentary or even art towards Christianity, and substitute the same thing for Jews or African-Americans, and consider that the response would be.
You'd get your own show on CNN, like conservative fruitbat Glenn Beck (who has called both the families of 9/11 victims and black survivors of Hurricane Katrina "scumbags." And don't play that "out of context" card. I listen to his show. I heard him say it. Did you?). And a lucrative book deal, and you'd probably wind up on FOX at least a couple of times.
There would be an outcry, or would have been, and people saying the artist was a NAZI or some such.
You're talking about "Piss-Christ"? There was an outcry, as you'll recall, and a lot of folks did call that guy a lot of names. Probably the only reason you or I even heard about that photograph was because Christians were in such an uproar about it.
But a liberal can rave all they want and demonize Christians all they want with the worst slander, the vilest insults, etc,...with nearly no censure from the multi-culturalists
...aside from getting beat up and losing his job, like that professor in Kansas. But, hey, other than that, I guess he got away scott-free, eh?
Is there sympathy or even a hint of sensitivity because Christians in the Third World and communist nations were and are sometimes horribly mistreated, persecuted, tortured, raped and murdered for their faith?
You mean, besides the candelight vigils and national days of mourning? You mean besides that?

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crashfrog
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Message 10 of 194 (281583)
01-25-2006 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by randman
01-25-2006 6:19 PM


Re: multi-culturalism
Decidedly non-Christians or people with non-biblical worldviews control nearly all the rest
Proof of this assertion? Are you saying that the only network a Christian can be a part of is one that offers a strictly Christian worldview?
You're sure about that? You're certain that no Christians work at CBS? At NBC? At FOX news? Really?
No more than liberals spew towards conservatives,
At black people? At homosexuals? At Muslims? That's who I was talking about.
That is qualitatively different than attacking people for their religious beliefs, as many liberals and secularists do towards Christians.
Or as Savage, Hannity, and O'Reilly - lead commentator on the most watched network on cable - spew against Muslims and persons who hold no religion. These men are, of course, Christians.
On the point of Christians not being persecuted here, neither for the most part are Jews, but that doesn't mean someone spewing anti-semitic bile should be celebrated
You mean like Christian commentator Michael Savage? Who was recently awarded several times by the AP?
and yet it's OK with you to spew the worst insults and smears, I suspect, towards Christians
Where? Who? Document some of these "smears" you're talking about.
That's the thing with Christians. You're so certain that you're being persecuted that your imagination is inventing all these insults we're supposedly casting behind your back. I've given you specific names and instances of Christian commentators who feel absolutely free to smear anybody not like themselves. Who are these anti-Christian smear merchants you're so upset about? Give me some names, already.

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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 194 (281713)
01-26-2006 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by randman
01-26-2006 12:48 AM


Re: multi-culturalism
I think it's fairly clear that there are areas in our soceity more dominated by secularists and liberals, and that 2 of those areas are the media/entertainment industry and academia.
And I think it's fairly clear that, like always, every one of your posts is nothing more than a chain of unsupported and erroneous assertions.
Furthermore, I never claimed American Christians are persecuted
America has been the context the entire time, which you know. Now you're simply retreating from more claims you couldn't substantiate.
The point is as Jews have been persecuted due to anti-semitism globally so have Christians globally, but people like you have no problem stoking anti-Christian bigotry and hatred
Support this assertion. Let's see an example of some of this "bigotry and hatred."
and as such, you remind me of the neo-NAZIs in your bigotry.
...and we see that Godwin's Law is in full effect. As is internet custom, you lose.

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crashfrog
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Message 152 of 194 (284598)
02-07-2006 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by truthlover
02-07-2006 12:34 PM


Re: multi-culturalism
This was a rather stunning statement to read. I looked on Google, but I couldn't find any reference to these awards.
I dunno. Google was where I found the reference in the first place, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore. I believe I searched for "michael savage awarded" and found a tossoff phrase on some website about "Michael Savage, who was recently awarded by the AP," etc.
When we saw a woman stand in a kitchen for a half hour and insult the people that walked through, we wondered what had happened to America while we were in Germany.
Oh, yeah. Rosanne. Never liked that show either, really.

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