Fundamentalists (of all stripes) at it again (Re: Textbook Wars: Religion in History)

Being that both of those groups were systematically opressed in the last 60 years, i don't see how you can post this garbage somehow you must have missed where people were not happy about this? people would be unhappy about any religious icon being trashed and everyone has the right to answer back!, being that christians are the largest group in america, i don't see why people would just sit there, this is freedom of speech not protection from peoples reactions, you say something you better be ready for anything
by the way the christians have never be as persecuted as the jews, they have been persecuted by every culture they entered i doubt its for thier faith all the time rand, it could be for any number of reasons way to be a hypocrite rand! show those liberals demonizing christians, by being the better man and demonizing those liberals!

gee i don't know could it be because of the race thing?, being that people do not differate between the two things, theres a differance rand, christians arn't a race no, i think you are mistaken, maybe you think its because they are christian when it really isn't, but because they are in the way, arn't useful to who even killed them, or wouldn't do what the person wanted, being christian may have something do do with it, but not the paranoid stories you keep making up - and i care about people dying but its not a genocide, there wasn't a systematic destuction of a people based on religious belief in the last 100 years, i would think people would care - oh unless you think there is some sort of mass compiseracy to blot it out..This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-26-2006 03:40 AM

I've been looking for things on this, you are right thier are christians being killed in muslim states, but you are making it out to be only christians only, which it is not, anyone who is not a muslim is getting killed not just christians - so this is just a half-truthas for communists, it is true that christians are getting attacked in those countries, but its not just christians its anyone, and christians are attacking non-christiansso your whole christians are the largest persicuted group is a bogus claim
read for yourself - Religious exclusivity in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament)

It's a war rand, i'm sorry to tell you this but this is what happens in war, its what always happens in wars, its horrible, but it happens everywherethe fact that i don't think its some sort of news flash, or some how special goes to show that this has been going on for centuriesI do care, i care about people not because they are christian, but people, who cares if they are christian - only you seem to think its a bigger deal because they areanyway what does this have to do with the topic, oh yes you brought this up even though its irrelevent to the topic, it just seems to be another one of your martyr trips randmanThis message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-27-2006 12:16 AM

I don't think anyone has the right to take out anything they don't like from history books, even if it makes one group happy, the whole point of history is to produce factual information about our past, if we allow people to edit history to suit thier feelings, we might as well not have any history booksi mean what group won't want history edited so they are the good guys?

No, you see religion as the reason, its used as a reason, but its not about religion its about control, every war is faught over control, religious groups are targeted because they can influance enough people to be a problem for the people who want control. if the religous group wasn't there they wouldn't bother to attack themits the same reason the crusades were faught, its the same reason, most any war is faught

as i said before, it wasn't about your reasons, it was about control, if there is a religion that holds a larger mind-share than yours, and you had the power to destroy it, say like the communists, would you let it exist or would you subvert it and destroy it?

what is a christian western culture?, we have an american culture do you know what a nationalist is? it is a person who feels thier way of life is the only way, any other way is wrong and should be destroyed, anyone who doesn't like it will be shot

can you back this up even?, the only places that they might teach these religions is maybe in a comparitive religions class - or a school setup to teach them.And as we all know any religion that isn't christianity taught to our kids is an attack on christianity..

so you never give up on this paranoid theory that people are out to just destroy christianity?
I'm sorry but do we have to go through the whole seperation of church and state every topic? you know its getting really repetitivei view the rewriting of history to make people look better to be wrong when they arn't it would be like people rewriting history to make the people who were burned at the stake really witchs when they wern't, or any number of things people want whitewashed
i'm not blameing fundamentalism for it, i would say its extreemism and trying to gloss over the bad things people did

i could see your view, but to the authors of the school books they really didn't see the point of including his religious views, knowing he was a christian wouldn't change what he did in his explorations which to them was the important part, not his zeal for conversion, would this be relevent if you are talking about famous explorers? would it matter what religion they held?Its a matter of people not wanting to chance anyone not buying the book because they might be offended by anything religious - unless its say about religious belief or has a chapter on religious belief around the world

what facts all i see is your claims, not facts, its all just claiming that people are trying to destroy something they arn'tI'm sorry did disagreeing with you upset you?, i'm sorry i didn't know i was supose to be a yes-man

why does it matter, when you are talking about great explorers? if we are talking history books used by students, why he did what he did doesn't matter!
If they leave out he's a christian its because they don't think it will help the students remember the facts that he explored those places
I'm telling you why they don't really care he was a missionary
in fact there were dozens of christians, non-christians, and other people who explored american places, but they never talk about if they were religious or not
As I said would learning he's a christian or missionary change the fact that he explored those places?This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-28-2006 03:49 AM

because if you are talking about the history of africa, you would want to talk about people who explored it
you might consider it inaccurate, but it depends on what you are trying to teach peopleif it was a class on say religious influences on the exploration of the world, such as religious reasons people do things i could see this working but to a general audiance who you are trying to teach it wouldn't very releventwasn't he more well known for the things he did in africa, namely the places he went rather than missonary work?
in all fairness saying he started out as a missionary, then went on to explore africa would be better, but i don't write the text books
they must have people who know what things work best, i suposeThis message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-28-2006 04:06 AM

I'm not the one who said this parnoid nonsense, you did, it is nothing more than a conspiricy theory rand, for some odd reason you think that thier are people who really do this?
Being a skeptic of your reasoning is not lying rand, you may not like that i disagree with you but, this is a debate boardThis message has been edited by ReverendDG, 01-28-2006 04:17 AM