Separation of Church and State

I'm against the public schools, not for teaching any kind of religion in them.And indoctrination doesn't have to be intended. Look it up. Imbue is a synonym for instance.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-14-2005 08:07 PM

You're joking right? If I were a communist or a fascist or a totalitarian dictator or a liberal socialist humanist or a neo-con Christian or any ideology with a hunger for power, I would obviously be all for the public schools since I would need them to shape the minds of the future populous to my advantage.

A bit of Wicca worship would do the little pagans a world of good.The public school system is our greatest practical investment in our ideals of equality, and one of the greatest obstacles to elitism and oligarchy.It is passing strange that Christians would want to burn it down because they cannot subsume it.

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...populace, damn it, not populous: may I suggest a bit more basic English and a bit less theology, perhaps?

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Absolutely. If Christianity is so weak it can't stand comparision to other religions it is a useless farce.And any Christian that wouldn't want to see their kids exposed to all the other religions must be very insecure.

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Translation: The public school system is our greatest practical investment in the indoctrination of revisionist PC ideas of equality, enforcement of general conformity to the Doctrines of the Day, and one of the greatest obstacles to the freedoms supposedly granted us by our Constitution.

Without public schools, our economy would degenerate into that of a third world country. I went through a secular public school (in Australia). It never caused any problems for my evangelical faith. If there was any imbuing of secularism, I surely did not notice it.AbE: When using "public school" above, I was using the American meaning of the term. That is, I was referring to a state school, not a private school. The private boarding schools were (probably still are) called "public schools" in Australia.This message has been edited by nwr, 12-14-2005 07:33 PM

Faith please reply to the post that asked about what type of religion should be taught in schools. DO they teach all religions or is their a particular religion you want taught in schools?

WK was having a bit of fun here. I don't know if he was trying to see if any Americans would rise to the bait or didn't realise the joke wouldn't necessarily travel across the Atlantic.For historical reasons (i.e. it makes no sense but it's the way it is) in Britain the term "public school" actually refers to a private school - usually also a boarding school - and they are often regarded as being only for the rich upper classes.Hence the "Be off with you or I'll have my man thrash you and set the hounds on you" - a stereotypical representation of the sort of thing an upper class twit might say to you if you suggested abolishing the fee-paying public schools his family have been packing their children off to for centuries."my man" tells you he has servants and "the hounds" means he is probably a landowner who keeps a pack of hounds for hunting foxes with.Oh and giving thrashings to the peasants was a common practice until recently!I promise you his post was funny over here

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Abolish public schools? What are you, some sort of communist?

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You're joking right?

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I suspect that WoundedKing was having a little fun. In Britain, the term "public school" means about the same as our "private school". I think they use "state school" to refer to an institution that we would call a public school.

I graduated from a public highschool in 2003. God was not expressly forbidden, no. But my teachers were afraid to say anything about God. No one really discussed matters of faith. To bring up God was not cool even though over half the school would have claimed to be Christian. If you brought up God in class discussion, everyone would cringe a little inside.When you have a lot of something (secular education) and none of something else (God), you have purged that something from the rest of it. That is just not done by and large. There definately is. I was not aware of how indoctrinated I was until I came to my private Christian university. I remember for the first couple of days of class I "cringed" inside everytime the teacher opened class with a prayer and devotional teaching. The teacher was doing what had previously been forbidden and controversial, and I was conditioned to react negatively to it. I was amazed to hear people everywhere talking casually about God. If I have a bucket full of both red and blue m&m's and I take out all the blue one's before I pass them out, am I not advocating the red one's over the blue one's?

I bet... sadly it was totally lost on this untravelled Texan.

this is a matter of opinion.
right now, no. about 6 years ago? absolutely.what i meant is not what you're taking it as. an uneducated populous is useless to support a republic. our job is to elect people who form our laws. you're taking this democracy thing way too seriously. we don't have one. we never have. federal republic. we pick them; they make laws; if we don't like the laws, we kick them out. we have to be smart enough to make sure we pick good representatives. it's in the government's interest to preserve smart people. if the government is taken over by someone because we aren't smart enough to get rid of them, the system is shattered and the government loses.further, religious education doesn't tend to create critical thinkers. sorry, it just doesn't. besides. no one is forcing you to put your kids in public schools. if you don't like our public education science classrooms, put your kids in private school. that's what democratic-type countries are all about: opt-in social programs, deal.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-14-2005 08:45 PM

It may have gotten us here, but "here" is only a transitional period to "there". When we get "there" we'll just do a little double-speak on the meanings of "equality" and "elitism". I don't think most do.Reminds me of a song we used to sing in public school: "Deck the halls with gasoline! Fa la la la la, la la la la! Light a match and watch it gleam! Fa la la la la! Watch the school burn down to ashes! Fa la la..."This message has been edited by Hangdawg13, 12-14-2005 08:49 PM

What?We aren't talking about Christianity vs culture or other religions. If we were, you'd be somewhat correct.We're talking about children spending a very large percentage of their early formative years in an environment where God is banished.And like I said a post or 2 ago, in some cases if you fail to advocate one thing, you advocate the opposite. If I have a bucket of red and blue M&M's, and I remove the blue ones before I pass them out, am I not advocating the red over the blue?This message has been edited by Hangdawg13, 12-14-2005 09:01 PM