Separation of Church and State

I want to say a couple things but first I have to set it up.Regardless of whether God is God in the Biblical sense, or a sacred galactic goat, or just the convention of society; God, for the purposes of this illustration, and philosophically in general, is that which is the assumped purpose or plan of existence and the controlling body. In short... The sovereign!Does everybody understand and accept that definition? (that's bound to be a no!)Now don't just read over this... rather, listen very carefully. Sorry if this is difficult, but it is a necessary and heavy logical procedure. [An excerpt from 'The Fanatic' By Robert S. Lockett]

They have to be seperate because the only workable model is the real one... God's kingdom.We wouldn't need a state if we did the right thing...Sorry I muddled up the concepts, back to the drawing board...And no I do not advocate a theocracy...

Our founding fathers recognized that our rights (and corresponding morals) came not from each other, as we do not possess in our human form, the strength to altruistically and benevolently regulate the brotherhood of man. History confirms this assumption as per Stalin, Hitler ET all.They knew that these principles must come from God, and when followed, liberated mankind from the prison of his own ignorance and sin. By the absolute nature and divinity of them, these Godly principles enlighten mankind and create heroes from the likes of herdsman. Our founders knew humanity's history. Are you following the logic? If not, I hope that you soon will, and then you will understand why they believed in the power of freedom. They were Christians.We all know the story of America and the inspiring ideals of God and Country, the great founding fathers who put our present and future, in our hands. They had faith that the people would continue the legacy of stirring the free and open debate. They had faith that the people would hold fast to the morality which acts as glue, and holds the fabric of society together under one flag. They understood what I am writing to you here long before I did, and that without those absolutes, we would be divided amongst ourselves and fall. Consider the following quotes and weigh them against today's view of the role of religion in our lives and government:-The U.S. House Judiciary Committee Report, 1853-At the time of the adoption of the Constitution and the amendments, the universal sentiment was that Christianity should be encouraged, not any one sect...There can be no substitute for Christianity... that was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants. The great, vital and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and divine truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ.-The author of the First Amendment, James Madison-"We have staked the whole future of all our political institutions... upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the ten commandments of God" [2]-U.S. Supreme Court, 1844-Our law and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the redeemer of mankind... it is impossible that it should be otherwise, and in this sense, and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian. [3]Separation of church and state? Yes, to the extent that Congress shall make no law as to the establishment of a state religion. Their concern was that one sect of Christianity may become too controlling, the way it was in England. The way one sect of any religion tends to distort the truth if unchecked. These men knew that truth prevailing would depend upon the freedom to disagree. A system of checks and balances must be in place so that we have the ability to correct each other when ideas are taken too far and truth is in danger of being distorted.

Look, I understand that. I argue the same point with monists all the time. Jesus even said, "I have not come to unite, but divide!'I am speaking in the ideal sense, to point out that the ideal of law is nothing more than a claim at deity. It's a convoluted mess but that's why our system works, because we have the freedom to religion and that moral framework stabalizes the society. Take the morality away, and the society colapses and the state takes over...I obviously did a terrible job in driving home the point.

It sounds to me like you are very serious about truth!Your a fundamentalist?

Yep! That is as fundamentalist as it gets. You've become your worst enemy. A true fanatic! And no bones about it threats of violence to boot. I don't fear him that can only kill the body. I fear He that has the power to throw my soul into hell. And since it is my soul, let me be the first to confess that I would be deserving of such a judgement.

Yawn...Go do it man! Drive out the Satan...There's a whole generation out there looking for a savior and they don't want mine. They're all yours for times and half a time.