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LinearAq
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Message 221 of 305 (321185)
06-13-2006 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Hangdawg13
12-14-2005 11:44 PM


Re: final thoughts
Hangdawg13 writes:
I do realize that abolishing public schools right now would bring immediate disaster on us.
Only because there is nothing to fill the void that would be left. Perhaps the public schools should be required to compete with private schools for funding. Each child could be given vouchers equivalent to the amount of tax money that is allotted them for education. The parents could choose the school for their children. Bad schools would get little money.
First problem: How do the poor get their children to the school they want for them.
Anyway, what choice does the government have with regard to religion in school? The God you want your teacher to send your prayers to may be objectionable to the Muslim student next to you. I think the default position has to be not praying at all. It wasn't that long ago that the little Jewish boy who wouldn't pray to Christ would be beaten up by all the "good" Christian boys.

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LinearAq
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From: Pocomoke City, MD
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Message 241 of 305 (327732)
06-30-2006 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by riVeRraT
06-30-2006 9:40 AM


To clear things up a bit...
riVeRrat writes:
Anyone who looks to take God out of nation is part of that cult.
1. In what way is God being removed from this nation?
2. In light of your answer to question 1, what specific requirements can we, as God-fearing people, enact to put God back into this nation?
I am not saying that all atheists are this way. But most are, and they are forcing their Godless view on the rest of the nation.
3. What specific things have these radical Athiests forced you to do that you would consider "Godless"?
They fight for separation of church and state for all the wrong reasons, but make it appear they are fighting for the right reasons.
4. Could you list the particular "wrong reasons" that you know about?
5. How is it that you are privy to the internal motivations of this radical majority of Athiests?
6. Could you provide us with a list of the "right reasons" to fight for separation of church and state?
Thanks

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LinearAq
Member (Idle past 4707 days)
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From: Pocomoke City, MD
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Message 277 of 305 (328344)
07-02-2006 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by riVeRraT
07-01-2006 9:49 AM


Re: To clear things up a bit...
LinearAq writes:
2. In light of your answer to question 1, what specific requirements can we, as God-fearing people, enact to put God back into this nation?
in reply, riVeRrat writes:
Stop taking Him out.
This is really a non-answer since you did not answer question 1.
LinearAq writes:
1. In what way is God being removed from this nation?
Admittedly a vague question. It would have been better to ask: "What specific things is this Athiest cult doing that would constitute removing God from this nation?" A follow-up would be a request to provide evidentiary support for your point of view on this.
RR writes:
Have you read the story about my kids school? Is one example.
Sounds like some school officials misinterpreting the law in this case. This could be intentional or unintentional but they appear to be actually violating your children's religious rights. Check here for an example.
quote:
The Frenchtown Elementary School student...wanted to sing the song "Awesome God" in a voluntary, after-school talent show. School officials refused to allow the student to sing her song, saying it would give the impression that the school favored religion...
..."There is a distinction between religious expression initiated or endorsed by school personnel, and speech initiated by individual students," said ACLU of New Jersey cooperating attorney Jennifer Klear of Drinker, Biddle & Reath in New York. "The Constitution protects a student's individual right to express herself, including religious expression."
Linear writes:
4. Could you list the particular "wrong reasons" that you know about?
RR writes:
To take the word God out of the national anthem, no matter when it was added, is a wrong reason.
Actually, that would be a wrong action, from your point of view. A reason is the motivation behind the action. I really would like to understand what it is that you are inscenced about but I need clearer statements on your part in order to do so.
RR writes:
A separation of church and state does not mean "no God". It means that the governement cannot tell us how to believe in God, not that God doesn't exist.
I would say that the separation of church and state means that the government cannot support or appear to support any religious point of view. It cannot enact any legislation that provides preferential support for any religious organization based solely on that organization's religious tenents. The fact that we have legal precedent of the government doing just that does not provide the right for it to continue down that path in violation of our constitution. If you think the government supports a particular religious point of view please provide examples of such along with an explanation of exactly how this legislation/ruling supports that particular point of view.
As a Christian, I would not want the government to endorse Satanism over Christianity. Therefore, I cannot support their endorsing Christianity, especially only certain sects, over Satanism.
Linear writes:
6. Could you provide us with a list of the "right reasons" to fight for separation of church and state?
RR writes:
Read the declaration of Independence.
Does this answer go with the question? Even if I read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, I would still have no idea of what you think are the "right reasons" to fight for separation of church and state.

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