Separation of Church and State

I realize this thread has been dead for a while, and I've no clue if anyone brought this up earlier, but . . . Didn't we insert "In God We Trust", and "Under God", during the Cold War? I remember it being a propaganda move, in that, hey, those commies over there are godless, moralles, whatnot, and we're better becuase we have morals, god. A way to differentiate, I guess. I'm not positive, mut it may be at that time that "In God We Trust" became the national motto, where previously we either didn't have one, or it was E Pluribus Unum? I don't really know on that last point. I'd also like to say that politics, as if it really needed any help with this, gets corrupted when you add religion.

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You realize that yah'weh is jewish (or is it hebrew?) for the wrod God?Allah means the exact same thing--God.So it's alright to have "god" in the pledge, but not not "yahweh", even htough they mean hte exact same thing?Oh, and the national anthem does not have the word God in it--that's the pledge. Right. Now then, how would you feel if the US enacted Sharia' law. What about Christian laws? Our laws are based off of english common law, something that was established BEFORE christianity came to England. The government doesn't have the right to tell you how to believe in God, and in having prayer in school it infringes your right to believe in your God. I live in a little place in the Bible belt. And you know what--prayer is not in our school, srping break is no longer easter break, and christmas break is now called winter break. But you know, it hasn't had an effect on the religious at the high school I went to. Every day before lunch, my friend would stand and pray before eating, and my guess is he prayed during the morning's "moment of silence". No one ever stopped him, or forced him to stop.The "ten commandments" are in the jewish bible, what we call the old testament. The only law I'm aware of in the new testament is the golden rule. This golden rule I would guess should be far more important to you christians because it came from Jesus, your lord and savior. Why not post it everywhere? Or do you just focus on posting jewish biblical laws?

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To the statement that Yahweh means God to the statement asking why it is wrong to use Yahweh, but not God. (edit: as to what the two words mean, also)I was pointing out a contradiciton. You said it would be wrong to have Yahweh in the pledge, but God is alright, even though the two words mean the exact same thing. In effect, you imply that it is wrong to have the word "God" in the pledge.And I wasn't labelling you as a jew--at least, not intentionally. I was pointing out what I find odd--christians seem to be more concerned with the ten commandments than with the golden rule, as far as having them placed in courthouses. Odd, I say, because shouldn't they focus on having thier law placed up--the golden rule?There is no problem with having God in the nation. The problem is when you mix politics with religion, and religion with politics. Take a look at the dark ages to begin with. Then look at France and England. Point is, religion and politics should stay separate.And I don't see why you continue to use the Declaration of Independence as prove that God should be let into gov't. Use the constitution, the ultimate law of the US. The Declaration isn't even law, and has no legal standing in our country. The only thing it was used for was to tell Britain--"up yours, you sticking pieces of shit". Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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You do realize that declaring independence is illegal, right? No matter what country yo are, all of these declarations have no legal standing.In our own civil war, Lincoln refused to recognize that the south had seceded. Britain refused to recognize our separation from them. China does not recognize Taiwan.Have you read the Declaration. The most famous part of it is the preamble--the whole part that says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."What follows is the list of grievances against King George III.What it says about us as a nation is that we won't put up with despots, that we won't put up with people taking away our rights. What it doesn't say is who we are as a nation regarding God. It has "god" in it, but it is not god that is our defining characteristic. It is a love of freedom, equality, justice, and screwing over the poor man (for all you capitalists who can take a joke ).What does it mean to be godless? If we remove official recognition of a specific god from our government? Does that then make all the government workers Godless? Or is when all of the government workers are aethiests? And how does no god in religion affect the public? Does a godless gov't make the people godless?Oh, and one last thing. Okay, so yahweh means God, for it is one of the names of God, that is your claim. It is also you're claim that using yahweh in the pledge is wrong, but using God isn't. But how can that be, if yahweh is but another name for god, as you claim?

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