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Topic: Separation of Church and State
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 74 of 305 (269400)
12-14-2005 8:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 73 by nwr
12-14-2005 7:54 PM
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Re: Abolish Public Schools
If the schools gave religious instruction, you would probably find evangelical children being taught catholic doctrine, and catholic children being taught mormon doctrine. Fantastic idea. I would love to see that. And every child also become exposed to Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Taoism, Shinto, the Teachings of Mencius, Confucius, the Greek Philosophers as well as the wonders of Atheism and Agnostics.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Wee Wicca, too
Absolutely. If Christianity is so weak it can't stand comparision to other religions it is a useless farce. And any Christian that wouldn't want to see their kids exposed to all the other religions must be very insecure.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Wee Wicca, too
We aren't talking about Christianity vs culture or other religions. Sure we are. And we're not even talking Christianity but rather a very narrow and proscripted verson of Christianity. As I've posted in many, many different threads, I think that we need Sacred Studies in all of the schools. But it should cover all the various beliefs and treat each as equally valid.
We're talking about children spending a very large percentage of their early formative years in an environment where God is banished. What, there's no home, no church. Sorry Dawg but "Cry me a river." There are absolutely no restrictions on teaching a Religious Ed course in schools, as long as the curiculum is designed to be neutral.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Wee Wicca, too
Do you think a Christian can or should cordon off his walk with Christ from the rest of his life in the secular world? Absolutely not. I think it might be a great idea if Christians actually began acting Christ-like. But religious education is a personal thing. It can take place anywhere.
A secularized religious ed class is not the same as a functioning body of believers ministering to one another. No, it's far better. It's a step away from ignorance, a chance to test and temper the faith, to learn, to grow. If ones Faith is so weak it cannot withstand scrutiny and challenge then it's too weak to be real anyway.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 101 of 305 (269503)
12-14-2005 10:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 99 by Hangdawg13
12-14-2005 10:13 PM
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Re: Wee Wicca, too
But what hope is there of these kids, mere infants in the faith, of having knowledge and faith enough to stand up to the challenge when they've been deprived of God for 90% of their lives??? Whoa there Tonto. Where are the parents? Where is the church?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Wee Wicca, too
Sounds like a failure of the Parents. Once more the parents deciding to lay stuff off onto anyone else instead of taking a little responsibility.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 109 of 305 (269521)
12-14-2005 11:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 108 by Theodoric
12-14-2005 11:05 PM
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Re: Faith and HangDawg13
You may not have seen this since it rolled off the front page long ago.
Should Sacred Studies be taught in school
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 141 of 305 (269664)
12-15-2005 12:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 138 by Faith
12-15-2005 10:37 AM
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Re: Coming out of hiding
To the extent that it is true that there is a lack of such knowledge among Christians, it would not help at all for this knowledge to be imparted by nonChristians in an atmosphere of debate or discussion. Why?
A great deal of what is promoted at EvC as correct history of the faith, for instance, just isn't, and it would not be helpful to have all that debated by young students who haven't yet put their lives in the hands of Jesus Christ. If it is not correct history then it should be able to point out convincingly where it is incorrect. Why shouldn't it be subject to discussion and debate?
I strongly believe that Christians SHOULD learn all the other points of view in the world but at the right time and from a Christian perspective. How would that be possible? How can the fact that a Buddhist is correct in his belief be presented from a Christian perspective?
But from a Christian point of view Christ is Lord of all, and that is nonnegotiable and not open to discussion. Why is it not open to discussion? Can any belief so weak it it cannot be examined and questioned be of any value?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 143 of 305 (269671)
12-15-2005 12:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 142 by Faith
12-15-2005 12:44 PM
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Re: Coming out of hiding
Once their faith in Christ is established they may discuss and debate all they want. How can a faith be established when not challenged?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 154 of 305 (270310)
12-17-2005 11:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 153 by randman
12-17-2005 2:04 AM
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Re: Fun with definitions
Nearly every empire and kingdom in the history of man until recent times enforced religious laws, but that doesn't make Pharoah's regime a theocracy, nor the German princes of medieval times, nor the Roman Empire, etc,.. Was the Pharoah a living God?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 159 of 305 (270494)
12-18-2005 1:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 158 by Faith
12-18-2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Open your mind a bit
so what makes Bush's dependence on God any different? In this case it appears God told Bush to lie to the Nation and be willfully ignorant. God must have said to disregard the evidence and just do what the corporations wanted.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 165 of 305 (270529)
12-18-2005 3:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 163 by randman
12-18-2005 3:04 PM
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Re: Open your mind a bit
Just being a Christian is enough to disqualify a man and endanger our great secular state and drive it to theocracy. Being a YEC should certainly be more than enough reason for prohibiting a person from being President or holding any decision making position in my humble opinion.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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