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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place. Why were we condemned unjustly? Who defines just cause?
Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card. Why would we need a get-out-of-hell free card? What crime would send a Christian to hell?
It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. Who defines morality? Who judges it? Who executes the sentence?
To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral. Good springboard for further discussion.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Wiki: GreatestIAM writes: You tend to sound poetic and wise at times, yet you lack full comprehension. It makes me wonder why you chose to embrace Gnosticism rather than just do as the majority of the other peanut gallery members did and ditch ALL religion. Care to answer that?
You asked who judges. Your bible says you do, but you did not render your due and duty.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
GIA writes: To whom do I owe this duty? Certainly not the noble peanut gallery! Your bible says you do, but you did not render your due and duty. So again.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
dwise1: But I really dont fight against it. I try every day to do the best that I can and show empathy and love. I rarely gripe, except to you guys. Add By Edit:OK, yes, I fall short. My belief is that we all are human and all are prone to immaturity and occasional ignorance. I am likely worse than you are, because you were in the military and have built in discipline. My goal is and will be never to throw away my beliefs but, rather, to strengthen them and be the best that I can be...not as a zombie "soldier for Jesus" but as a real life, interacting and communicating human. This is addressed to all of you, by the way. Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, .
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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candle2, my advice is to drop the Obama ID rabbit trail. Thats old news. As old as Hillarys Emails, Hunter's Laptop, and Trump's tweets.
By the way, im fixing your botched header.
candle2 writes: Why does it matter if he was born in Hawaii(which seems logical) or Kenya(which is simply a consservative (and racist) attempt to discredit his presidential victory. Barack Obama was one of our more articulate and expressive presidents. He was a black man who was smarter than any 20 white presidents before him. And BTW im not making race an issue. I feel that many of Obamas critics are (subtly) making race and birth origin an issue. Why does he have a Connecticut SSN? We could make offspring an issue, however. I would put Trumps' kids up against Bidens kids any day of the week. Trump's kids are smarter than he is. Biden's kids are NOT smarter than old Joe.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
candle2,addressing Taq writes: Why this childish game of who is smarter? There are smart and dumb people in both political parties. It doesn't bother you that Democrats are not smart enoughto know the difference between a man and a woman. What bothers you is that Conservatives do. The conservatives are smarter at finance and understanding money.The liberals are smarter at social justice...they have more of a heart. Thats my 2 cents.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Well, everyone knows that Canada is Americas Ukraine. It belongs to us, after all.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You have confirmed your own ignorance and arrogance.
I was mad at you for daring to tell me what I know about Jesus and Christianity. I know far more than you do. The hubris! Edited by Phat, .
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I heard it from my Conservative friend who loves Tucker and Fox News. Lets see what urban dictionary defines it as:
Urban Dictionary: Keep in mind, however, thatthe Urban Dictionary is like Wikipedia. Its written by ordinary people.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
That definition above articulates it very well. It is the word of social activism. It resonates more will liberal activism than with conservative activism, however. I doubt that many people would call the hillbillies on January 6th as woke. At best, they would be labeled as agitators.
Granted I read books by Peggy Noonan and others about White Privilege, but my response to it differed from some of my more liberally minded friends from college. If being woke means simply to be aware of the social climate, I might qualify as being woke...but im not gonna lie. the word implies brashness and a desire to overturn the social order and im not that guy.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
There is actually controversy as to who wrote Revelation, and your "side" by no means is the only voice on this issue. (It would make sense, however, for the mythicists and Biblical critics to attempt any legal means whatsoever to discredit the source.) Your side will always respec the critical thinkers as unbiased. My side will argue that both sides have motive. Either spread the good news about the Messiah or try and prove that He never existed. Clearly we are in an ongoing war. Jesus may have already won, but Satan may likely get 80% of the people on his side using logic and evidence, ironically.
Of course my critics will handwave all of this away as fantasy and wishful thinking! The meaning of the Trinity in practical terms is that the Creator of all seen and unseen came to earth as a human and left us His Spirit. No 3 ways about it! That being said, I will say that far too many "believers" are simply sitting around waiting for rescue from what will soon become a godforsaken place. The humanists will justfy the evil of negative thinking and brainwashing through religion and will attempt to wipe the "virus" from humanity. AZSolutions3 can tell you more about that!
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taq writes: WRONG. There, now was that so hard? And by the way, the Book of Acts was considered to be written by Luke. The consensus of modern scholars is ... Modern Scholars can go back to playing tiddly winks with their cow chips.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taqtical Error writes: Out of curiosity, which modern scholars are you listening to?
The consensus of modern scholars is that the John of Revelations and the John of Acts are two different people. Cardinal Dredge writes: Not according to the Catholic Church ... which is all that matters. I'm not interested in what the amateurs and charlatans have to say. Me neither. One of the main differences between Roman Catholics and Protestants is that the RCC cites the church as its primary authority whereas the PROTS cite the Bible itself. From this basic information stems many divergent and erratic rabbit trails. The true church came directly from the Book of Acts in the upper room. Any disagreement there?The mugwumps were NOT in the upper room. The Spaghetti Monster was NOT in the upper room. Long John Silver was NOT in the upper room. Peter was. Yet He was not in charge. The Holy Spirit was.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
candle2 writes: You are the only one whom I know among Christians I know to speak of a God family vs simply Father,Son,Holy Spirit. Jesus forgave sin, which is blasphemy for anyone otherthan a member of the God family to do. Dredge is more familiar: Dredge writes:
I agree. In my belief, Jesus is Gods character. His human essence. There is no "two" of them.
The verse(Acts 4:12) makes sense only if Jesus is God. Only God saves. candle2 writes: Based on what you earlier stated,
The two have always existed. Both of them are God. Theymake up the family of God, which one day can number into the billions. candle2:I think we disagree here! Of course in the RCC, Priests can forgive sin, so Dredge may agree with you more than I do. The way I see it, In The Beginning was GOD. Jesus was at that exact moment His Son...His character as a human. Through that character, all things were created, including Angels and humans and everything else under the Son (pun intended). As for the angels, none were created initially rebellious or sinful, but the possibility of sin was allowed. Lucifer, One of three Arch Angels(Chief Angels) along with Michael and Gabriel, chose autonomy over obedience. Thus the war in Heaven and Lucifer's expulsion and re-titling to Satan. Do either you or Dredge see that any differently than I do? Edited by Phat, .
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZStoryteller is just trying to show that he can tell a story as well or better than we can. Him and his fellow rebels refuse to believe the story that we tell, showing that their imaginations are quite capable of creating what for them are superior alternatives. You best light a candle for them. (and one for us too, as we are nothing without our higher power.)
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