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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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Phat writes:
Salvation is not a "moment" - it's a process that lasts until death. The "moment" you refer to simply marked the point at which you first became converted to the faith - the beginning of your road to salvation. It doesn't mean that at that "moment" Jesus issued you with an irrevocable ticket to eternal life ... that happens only after you are judged by Christ on the last day. To begin with, I believe that my salvation moment...years ago (1993) when I first got saved was "magical Millions of people experience a "moment" of conversion which you call "salvation", but millions of them don't last and eventually slide back into unbelief. So it's silly to claim you've been "saved" as soon as you believe.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, what you believe is that Jesus (which is God's
human character) sits at His own right hand. Then what you are saying is that Jesus is still in Hishuman character. You believe that Jesus (God in His human character)prayed to Himself. Wow!!!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You are limiting the Creator of all seen and unseen, present in every hypothetical multiverse and dimension that exists to a position in spacetime. Thats your error.
Jesus is God. He is God in the sense that He is representative of Gods thinking. There is simply no way that anyone can understand the mind of the OT God, for example, without knowing the character of Jesus. Hence they are not two seperate characters. Jesus IS Gods character. Not Buddha. Not any of the Hindu deities. Not Allah. and certainly not any joke such as a spaghetti monster or wannabe god fearing pastor. (or church) It is true that there is One church. And it is true that there is one God. Ask Jesus. He never said He was God, but He *did* say that if you've seen Him you have seen the Father. He *did* say that "I and my Father are one." Never for a minute did He pray to Himself. Thats what people essentially do these days in secular America. ringo even accuses me of doing it because he says I "make up the Jesus that I want" and then pray to Him. In other words I worship my comfort and entitlement more than I do the Jesus Who actually is. Even as a believer, I am scared of giving everything up. Critics would say that either my belief is weak or that I am not really a believer. Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, .
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
How about 3 of whom are likely smarter than the peanut gallery?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Dredge writes: God doesn't ask you to understand it, but to believe it. That's false. Humans ask us to believe it.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Dredge writes: The shallow little mind of the atheist can't rise above the physical plane (science) to the much higher plane of the supernatural (God). You can't even demonstrate that the supernatural exists.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
candle2 writes: You believe in the magic of chemicals creating life. Only the ignorant would think chemistry is magic.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Quit posting videos without telling us what they are claiming. I am not going to watch any video you post. I do not come here to get videos to watch. I come here to have interesting arguments and discussions with people. If you can not do that and can not follow forum rules, why are you here? I, and seemingly others, am getting very tired of your constant trolling with absolutely no substance.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
suck it up buttercup. There are more people in the forum than just you. If you don't want to watch the video, please ignore it. And don't quote forum rules at me. Percy knew better than to make your grumpy ass an administrator.
And if you are really curious about what the 3 men are saying you can always click the transcript.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taq writes: Good point. Why do they care, I wonder? Humans ask us to believe it. (For the same reason that you and others care about me learning critical thinking)
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
Anyone who believes that life arose naturally from inanimate matter believes in magic.
Only the ignorant would think chemistry is magic.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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quote: Percy knew better than to make your grumpy ass an administrator.
Do you really want to go there ex-moderator?I have no desire to moderate. Too restricting on my posting here. I do not have a desire for power. You let your emotions get in the way you did moderate as you still do in your posting. Some quick advice. Pick and choose what you feel you want to respond to. You are not judged on the quantity of posts but on the quality. Fundies like you and drudge fail to understand that. Flippant comments expose your ignorance. Reread your post a few times before you submit it. Stick to threads where you have at least some basic knowledge. Understand that the people that disagree with you are not attacking you personally, but when you post something stupid, offensive, or racist you are going to be attacked. And rightly so. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
The evidence of miracles demonstrate that the supernatural exists. You choose to ignore such evidence.
You can't even demonstrate that the supernatural exists.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Theodorkic writes:
Why is the Loony Left so neurotically obsessed with racism? It's bizarre. The LL think it's just fine and dandy for a mother to murder her own unborn child, for example, but being in any way racist is the worst kind of evil.
Understand that the people that disagree with you are not attacking you personally, but when you post something stupid, offensive, or racist you are going to be attacked. And rightly so.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Any process beyond your intellect to understand is indistinguishable from majik. And our majik is beyond your comprehension.
We have the power to see deep into the past, control the present and forsee the future. Your gods have nothing.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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