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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
You're going around in circles. And the reason mammals are closer GENETICALLY is because they are more closely related. The reason mammals are genetically closer to humans is because of similarities in DNA. Period.
evolution created the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of.
If you don't believe evolution created the genetic similarities, what effect will that have on those genetic similarities? Will the similarities increase or decrease? If you don't believe evolution created the genetic similarities, what effect will that have on vaccines? Will they stop working?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Are you high or something?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Maybe when everyone else questions what you are saying it is not them, it is you.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Oh, I get ... when cornered, act dumb.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
... which has absolutely nothing to do with my argument.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
You didn't answer my question:
If no one believed in UCD, would those genetic similarities still exist?
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Dredgings:
If no one believed in UCD, would those genetic similarities still exist? Scientists don't work from a position of what they believe, they work from the evidence. In your hypothetical case, changing your wording to "If no one had known about UCD...", then, yes, the similarities would still exist, waiting to be discovered by scientists. But also then no one would be working on finding new medicines using DNA similarities either. They would even still be in the dark about DNA existing, let alone having similarities."I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
wrongsmith writes:
Wrong again, wrongsmith. Thousands of scientific papers begin with the Darwinist (unproven) assumption of UCD.
Scientists don't work from a position of what they believe, they work from the evidence.In your hypothetical case, changing your wording to "If no one had known about UCD...", then, yes, the similarities would still exist, waiting to be discovered by scientists. But also then no one would be working on finding new medicines using DNA similarities either.
Another example of wrongsmith making a baseless assertion.
They would even still be in the dark about DNA existing, let alone having similarities.
Another example of wrongsmith making a baseless assertion.
Note: Please be advised that your new name is "wrongsmith".
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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You sir are nothing more than a troll.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Theodorkic writes:
So you keep saying, Theodorkic, but you have no evidence to support your claim.
nothing more than a troll
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Dredge writes: You've misquoted me. I said "Stile, give up." I told you: I'm not "trying" in order to have to give up.I mean... I'm just relaying simple reality to you. That's all. Please be advised that your new name is "Stile". My name has always been Stile.
I think you might actually be missing a few "nuts and bolts". If you don't understand the concept, feel free to ask questions. The analogy works quite well, as your previous questions have shown. The point is that nuts and bolts are irrevocably important to the manufacture of vehicles. Understanding this importance leads to greater vehicle technology.The point is that UCD is irrevocably important to those genetic similarities existing. Understanding this importance leads to greater biological/medicinal technology.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Look up the definition.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Dredge writes: If no one believed in UCD, would those genetic similarities still exist? Obviously, yes. In the same way, stellar parallax would still exist if no one believed in Heliocentrism. The procession in Mercury's orbit would still exist if no one believed in Relativity. What wouldn't exist if no one believed in UCD is an explanation as to why those genetic similarities fell into a nested hierarchy.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Dredge writes: In that case, your argument failed miserably. Ignoring the facts won't make them go away.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Dredge writes: The similarities would exist and be useful even if everyone believed they were produced by pixies or aliens or fairies waving their wands. But why would those similarities produce a nested hierarchy if pixies, aliens, or fairies produced them? We can observe UCD and evolution in action in both the lab and in the wild. We observe that those mechanisms produce a nested hierarchy. A nested hierarchy is exactly what we would expect from this process, and that is exactly what we see in nature. There is no other explanation that specifically predicts that we should see this pattern of genetic similarities.
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Repeating that Darwinist lie doesn't make it true. The genetics similarities themselves are what makes them useful, not a theory about what produced the similarities (UCD). False. It is the conservation of function due to UCD and evolution that makes them useful. No such expectation is expected from other proposed processes. It also allows us to find novel human features by looking for different patterns of sequence conservation.
Tell me, Einstein, did the theory of UCD create the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of? Or did those genetic similarities create the theory of UCD? It's the nested hierarchy that evidences UCD, not simply genetic similarities.
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