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Topic: Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.5
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Message 991 of 1429 (900973)
11-03-2022 8:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 990 by Dredge
11-03-2022 7:49 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge answers:
Relatedness is measured by comparing similarities in genetics, anatomy and physiology between species. Oh no! almost right. Similarities in genetics is all you want, since the other two can and will lead you astray. For example, which is closer to a coyote,a chihuahua or a hyena? is a hyena more related to a coyote or a mongoose? Genetics is all you need. And genetics is the knowledge of the DNA. So comparing similarity in DNA is the answer. Wouldn't you agree? Yes or No....
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 992 of 1429 (900975)
11-03-2022 9:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 991 by xongsmith
11-03-2022 8:54 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
xongsmith writes: Genetics is all you need. And genetics is the knowledge of the DNA. So comparing similarity in DNA is the answer. Wouldn't you agree? Yes or No....
Sure ... let's go with that.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10045 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 993 of 1429 (900979)
11-03-2022 10:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 989 by Dredge
11-03-2022 7:24 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: I challenge you to show me one instance of how the theory of UCD has provided a practical use in medical science from any of the four examples you provided in Message 795. I already did that in each of those messages.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 997 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 12:56 PM | | Taq has replied |
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: Your Darwinist propaganda doesn't add up. According to Darwinist folklore, birds and fish, for example, "share common ancestry with humans", but birds and fish aren't used as models by medical science. Why not?
Tanypteryx writes: Because mammals are closer relatives, once again showing the usefulness of UCD.
Wrong. It's because mammals are closer GENETICALLY ... a fact that exists REGARDLESS of the theory of UCD. It's as if you think the genetic similarities between humans and other mammals would cease to exist if no one accepted the theory of UCD. Weird.
Dredge writes: Gee, might it have something to do with the fact that there are other animals more genetically, anatomically and physiologically similar to humans than birds and fish ... rats and mice, for example
Tanypteryx writes: Holy Crap! Do you not see the absurdity of this argument. The reason that mammals are more similar to humans is because of closer shared common ancestry and shared common ancestry is UCD.
The reason mammals are more similar to humans is because of GENETICS, not because of theory about a closer shared common ancestry. Your bizarre logic is back-to-front. Tell me, Confuso, did the theory of UCD create the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of? Or did the genetic similarities between species create the theory of UCD?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 995 of 1429 (900986)
11-03-2022 12:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 994 by Dredge
11-03-2022 11:34 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: It's because mammals are closer GENETICALLY ... a fact that exists REGARDLESS of the theory of UCD.
Why do you think my DNA is similar to my grandfather's DNA? Why do you think my DNA is similar to my cousin's DNA?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 994 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 11:34 AM | | Dredge has replied |
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 996 of 1429 (900989)
11-03-2022 12:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 995 by ringo
11-03-2022 12:01 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
How are your questions relevant to my argument? ...assuming you even understand my argument, which is pretty simple.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 998 by ringo, posted 11-03-2022 12:59 PM | | Dredge has replied |
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 997 of 1429 (900990)
11-03-2022 12:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 993 by Taq
11-03-2022 10:45 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
In that case, your argument failed miserably.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1019 by Taq, posted 11-04-2022 10:54 AM | | Dredge has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 998 of 1429 (900992)
11-03-2022 12:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 996 by Dredge
11-03-2022 12:54 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: How are your questions relevant to my argument?
What argument? All you have is denial. If you thought about the questions, you might figure out why your denial is so silly. Hint: similar DNA --> common ancestor.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 996 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 12:54 PM | | Dredge has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1000 by Dredge, posted 11-03-2022 1:55 PM | | ringo has replied |
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 999 of 1429 (900996)
11-03-2022 1:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 963 by Taq
10-31-2022 11:54 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: Oh really? The following comments agree with me, but according to you, they're all false
Taq writes: All of those quotes are backed by the knowledge that the similarities were produced by common ancestry and evolution. That's why those similarities are useful.
What bullshit ... it doesn't matter what produced the genetic similarities, or what anyone thinks produced the similarities. The similarities would exist and be useful even if everyone believed they were produced by pixies or aliens or fairies waving their wands.
Dredge writes: An explanation for why those genetic similarities exist (UCD) is not what makes those similarities useful to medical science.
Taq writes: Speaking as someone who works in biomedical research, UCD is what makes those similarities useful.
Repeating that Darwinist lie doesn't make it true. The genetics similarities themselves are what makes them useful, not a theory about what produced the similarities (UCD). Tell me, Einstein, did the theory of UCD create the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of? Or did those genetic similarities create the theory of UCD?
Conservation of sequence is something that has become quite important in comparing animal models.
I'm sure it has ... because so-called "conserved sequences" is Darwinist-speak for DNA sequences that are common to different species ... and it is the commonality of those sequences that medical science has found useful The belief (whether true or not) that those sequences have been "conserved" by natural selection down through evolutionary history is irrelevant to the utility of those sequences. Do you really think that simply calling those common sequences, "conserved sequences", proves that the theory of UCD is practically useful to medical science?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 963 by Taq, posted 10-31-2022 11:54 AM | | Taq has replied |
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1000 of 1429 (900997)
11-03-2022 1:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 998 by ringo
11-03-2022 12:59 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Your comment proves that you don't understand my argument ... as simple as it is. Go and find an adult who can explain it to you.
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Stile
Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: 12-02-2004
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Message 1001 of 1429 (901002)
11-03-2022 2:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 961 by Dredge
10-31-2022 10:08 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes: If UCD is so important to biological and medical science, why is it that you can't cite even ONE EXAMPLE of how the UCD has made a practical contribution to biological or medical science? Would you like it cited again? From Message 751:
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But coming up with new vaccines and medicines, as already listed a few times for you, is a good one.
Another round!
Dredge writes: All you've got to offer to back up the Darwinist claim you've been brainwashed with is a dumb and irrelevant analogy about "nuts and bolts". It's not dumb or irrelevant. It applies very well. In fact, I may contact some schools to see if they want to use it.
Stile ... give up. On what? I'm not "trying" in order to have to give up. I mean... I'm just relaying simple reality to you. That's all. The point is that nuts and bolts are irrevocably important to the manufacture of vehicles. Understanding this importance leads to greater vehicle technology. The point is that UCD is irrevocably important to those genetic similarities existing. Understanding this importance leads to greater biological/medicinal technology.
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Stile
Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: 12-02-2004
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Message 1002 of 1429 (901003)
11-03-2022 2:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 975 by Theodoric
11-01-2022 12:45 PM
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Re: I think the goal post are moving again
Theodoric writes: This process continues til the troll claims victory and makes a new outlandish claim. Shhhhh... you'll scare him away. I have an over-under on how many times he'll do it and I'm almost winning!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1003 of 1429 (901013)
11-03-2022 3:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 1001 by Stile
11-03-2022 2:48 PM
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Re: UCD evidence
Stale writes: Stile ... give up.
You've misquoted me. I said "Stale, give up." Please be advised that your new name is "Stale".
The point is that nuts and bolts are irrevocably important to the manufacture of vehicles. Understanding this importance leads to greater vehicle technology.
This concept is so deep. Stale, the point is your argument is stale ... and worse, I think you might actually be missing a few "nuts and bolts".
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1004 of 1429 (901015)
11-03-2022 4:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 994 by Dredge
11-03-2022 11:34 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Wrong. It's because mammals are closer GENETICALLY And the reason mammals are closer GENETICALLY is because they are more closely related.
It's as if you think the genetic similarities between humans and other mammals would cease to exist if no one accepted the theory of UCD. It's as if you think the genetic relatedness of humans and other mammals would cease to exist because some idiot who has no knowledge of anything says so.
Tell me, Confuso, did the theory of UCD create the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of? Nope, evolution created the genetic similarities between species that medical science makes use of.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.5
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Message 1005 of 1429 (901017)
11-03-2022 4:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 992 by Dredge
11-03-2022 9:24 AM
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Re: UCD evidence
Dredge concedes:
xongsmith writes: Genetics is all you need. And genetics is the knowledge of the DNA. So comparing similarity in DNA is the answer. Wouldn't you agree? Yes or No....
Sure ... let's go with that. OK. Now go back and read Message 972 carefully again.
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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