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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I'll take your bet. I knew it ... you're not game to accept my wager. In Message 645, you said, "I'm willing to bet you $1.55 that what the Catholic Church teaches is the truth ..." Go ahead and do a DNA test on your next communion wafer. If it has any Jewish ancestry there's $1.55 on it's way to you. (See how easy it is to test hypotheses?)"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I hope you realize that to us normals (as dwise1 calls us) are about as insulted by that word as you would be if you were called a "Little-Endian". (That's a Lilliputian "Little-Endian".)
Idolator! Phat writes:
Why would it be "thinly veiled"? Why would it be veiled at all? Human intellect is all we have (and that includes you). What would be more worthy of worship?
Your behavior and veneration of a totally secular concept known as "Science and Critical Thought" is a thinly veiled attempt to worship human intellect itself. Phat writes:
We're winning now. You and your kind won't last long."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Who cares about amgels. When HUMANS pray, "Hail Mary," they're worshipping Mary. Here it is again:
So when the angel Gabriel greeted Mary with "Hail" (Luke 1:28), he was worshipping Mary?quote:Notice the BIG part. Calling her "Holy" is worship. Calling her the "Mother of God" is worship. How could it not be? Even your fellow-Catholic frllow-idiot Porkncheese agrees that it is worship. Message 643 Dredge writes:
To Elizabeth, "my Lord" was not God, it was Jesus. The trinitarian heresy was invented later. And "a" lord is not the same as "the" Lord. One of the Catholic titles for Mary - Mother of God - comes from Luke 1:43, when her cousin Elizabeth calls her "the mother of my Lord"."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
Until you learn what assumptions are, your objection is worthless. And if you ever DO learn what assumptions are, you'll drop the silly objection. dating methods rely onassumptions. And, assuming something is not science; it is guesswork. Yes, we do assume that radioactive decay rates are constant - and the fact that they ARE constant has been VERY thoroughly confirmed. Scientists have been unable to find any conditions or processes that can change decay rates. So, an "asumption" in science is a fact that has already been confirmed by other work.
cndle2 writes:
That would appear to be a lie, since you're still espousing the totally-refuted creationist nonsense about radiometric dating. I do read articles from both sides. (Even the creationist RATE group had to concede that creationist objections to radiometric dating are groundless.)"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
The earth itself is a record of its past. Dig a hole and you'll see the record of the latest local flood, the latest volcanic eruption, etc. The number of floods will even give you a pretty good idea about the weather in the past. You'll see the remains of the animals that used to live there, so you'll get a pretty good idea about what they ate, which will also give you an idea about the weather. ... there is no way to test past conditions on earth. And you can learn it by yourself in your own back yard. Avoid those lying creationist websites and learn something.
candle2 writes:
Some liar has told you that. If you did find a fossil in your back yard, how would you know whether it was transitional or not? If you can't recognize a transitional fossil, how can you say there are none?
we cannot get past theabsence of transitional fossils. candle2 writes:
Nor can we see Rome being built. Yet we're pretty sure it was built - and we can get a pretty good idea of HOW it was done. By your logic, there is no way that we could learn anything about ancient Rome.
Nor, can we get around thefact that never has life been observed coming from non-life. candle2 writes:
Neither abiogenesis nor evolution "disprove" God's creation. However, the evidence supports abiogenesis and evolution. There is no evidence that supports God.
If I did not want to believe in the God of creation, I wouldstill have no other choice. candle2 writes:
Swiss cheese is not defined by the holes; it's defined by the cheese. I am not a big enough fool to believe in an evolutionaryconcept that is filled with more holes than Swiss cheese. (Are you a big enough fool to not understand that?)"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
*shrug* You say that like it was a bad thing. Evolutionists view evolution in the same way that theysee Swiss cheese. They ignore all of the holes that exist in both. Sure there are gaps in our knowledge. There are gaps in our knowledge on every subject. (Even your almighty knowledge of your god has gaps in it.) As I said, we don't ignore the cheese just because it has holes in it. The cheese itself is still good.
candle2 writes:
YOU can talk all YOU want but YOUR talk won't eliminate the transitional fossils that we DO have. If you were honest (you're not), you could look up "transitional fossils" yourself and find out how many transitional fossils we DO have. But you'd rather believe the lies that creationist tell you.
You can talk all you want, but talk doesn't producetransitional fossils. candle2 writes:
Liar. If you looked, you'd find them.
They don't exist. And, you know they don't. candle2 writes:
Show us your calculations. You can't, can't you? Because those numbers are just lies made up by creationists.
If evolution were true, we would have tens, perhapshundreds, of millions of transitional fossils. candle2 writes:
Darwin would certainly be impressed by how thoroughly his ideas have been confirmed. Look at DNA, for example. Darwin only knew D and N and A as letters in the alphabet. Today, DNA has confirmed evolution many, many times over. Even Darwin who laugh at his own concept if heknew what we know today. Why are your "arguments" a hundred years old? Because you don't have the first inkling of a clue about DNA?
candle2 writes:
And?
Even the simple single cell organisms are morecomplicated and complex than the most modern factories. candle2 writes:
It seems impossible for you to learn anything. Evolution is impossible."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
We've heard that lie before. Hundreds of celebrities have admitted to sellingthemselves to Satan. I'll make it easy on you: since you claim there are "hundreds", name just fifty."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You're misquoting John Stuart Mill:
You don't have to be mentally ill to be a Democrat ... but it would certainly help.quote: You prove his point."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
So, to be clear, you're in favor of executing woman who have abortions? If the baby is killed by accident, God states that theone(s) responsible should still be put to death. WWJD? What would Jesus do? Hm....
quote: I like to point out that Jesus didn't cast the first stone either."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Stop it. Republicans have taxes too. Liberals try and support everything by appropriating other people's money."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
You're making that up. Jesus wan't born until centuries after the Ten Commandments were written.
Jesus was the member of the God family who wrote the10 Commandments on stone, with His own finger. candle2 writes:
Misguided people - like you - try to use the Old Testament to overrule Jesus.
Misguided people try to use Jesus' words to not cast thefirst stone, as to judge not. candle2 writes:
I didn't say anything about judging. Go ahead and judge all you want. What Jesus said was that none of us is qualified to carry out our judgement, at least not to the point of death. And He included Himself in that disqualification.
To support this belief they quote Matthew 7:1 "Judge notthat ye be no judged." candle2 writes:
See? By all means, judge your brother - but only after you have judged yourself by the same standard (or an even higher standard). By all means, stone the adulterous woman - but only after you have been stoned yourself for your own sins. Remember Who also said that we are ALL sinners?
But read verse 5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beamout of thine own eyes; AND then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. candle2 writes:
That makes no sense. Jesus came into the world to pay our death penalty. But even if it did, it would include the adulterous woman's death penalty.
candle2 writes:
What life? How can a god be alive?
As our Creator His life is worth far more than all of ourscombined. candle2 writes:
What about a twelve-year-old girl who is raped? Shall we execute her too?
If a woman keeps sleeping around and having abortions,she should be somehow held accountable. candle2 writes:
They already are. It's what the (human) law should say that's in question here. In any event, I believe that a doctor who murders littlebabies should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. You would execute a doctor who saves a woman's life by terminating a pregnancy that is killing her. That's sick."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
That is not true.
The Conservatives did not own slaves;quote: "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
We say "intellectually challenged" now. My brother used to coach a Special Olympics track team and he said that "we" should be more like "them". I've met a lot of the team members and I tend to agree.
Are you retarded? I am serious. Are you retarded? candle2 writes:
You seem to be in favor of executing women who have abortions. Are you or are you not? I never said that anyone should be executed becausethey were raped. And how is it different if the woman was raped? Is it not still "murder"?
candle2 writes:
Because she had an abortion, which you call "murder".
We don't even execute the rapist. Why would you thinkthat we should execute the woman who was raped, especially a 12 year old child? candle2 writes:
So what? If abortion is "murder", then she's a murderer, even if she had the abortion to save her life.
Less than one percent of abortions are performed inorder to save the mother's life. candle2 writes:
Why isn't EVERY situation between the woman, her husband, if she has one, and God? Why do you have to stick your nose in?
This particular situation is between the woman; herhusband, if she has one; and, God. candle2 writes:
I'm against all murders of babies. But abortion is not considered murder in any civilized society.
Are there any murders of babies that you are against? candle2 writes:
If I couldn't read, how do you think we got this far, genius?
Tell me, if you can read... candle2 writes:
It does. What has that got to do with abortion?
...does Ephesians 3:8-10 mentionGod creating all things by Jesus Christ. candle2 writes:
I am honest. Paul was wrong. If it does then stop saying that Jesus did not create allthings. But be honest. "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
Abraham Lincoln would weep if he saw the thugs in the Republican Party today. The Republican Party, took us back to the Constitution,that all men are created equal "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No hubris about it. Jesus wasn't born until millennia after the creation, so Paul was clearly wrong to associate Him with it.
ringo writes:
The hubris is strong in this one! Paul was wrong. Phat writes:
Since you don't answer most of what I post, I don't feel obligated to answer everything you demand. Name 5 specific things that the Apostle Paul was wrong about. If you want to discuss Paul being wrong, there's already an example on the table.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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