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ringo
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Message 651 of 1864 (899612)
10-16-2022 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 649 by Dredge
10-16-2022 1:44 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Dredge writes:
I knew it ... you're not game to accept my wager.
I'll take your bet.
In Message 645, you said, "I'm willing to bet you $1.55 that what the Catholic Church teaches is the truth ..."
Go ahead and do a DNA test on your next communion wafer. If it has any Jewish ancestry there's $1.55 on it's way to you.
(See how easy it is to test hypotheses?)

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 654 of 1864 (899679)
10-17-2022 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 653 by Phat
10-17-2022 9:43 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Phat writes:
Idolator!
I hope you realize that to us normals (as dwise1 calls us) are about as insulted by that word as you would be if you were called a "Little-Endian". (That's a Lilliputian "Little-Endian".)
Phat writes:
Your behavior and veneration of a totally secular concept known as "Science and Critical Thought" is a thinly veiled attempt to worship human intellect itself.
Why would it be "thinly veiled"? Why would it be veiled at all? Human intellect is all we have (and that includes you). What would be more worthy of worship?
Phat writes:
You and your kind won't last long.
We're winning now.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 670 of 1864 (899784)
10-19-2022 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 665 by Dredge
10-19-2022 4:55 AM


Re: How can Jesus be God if...
Dredge writes:
So when the angel Gabriel greeted Mary with "Hail" (Luke 1:28), he was worshipping Mary?
Who cares about amgels. When HUMANS pray, "Hail Mary," they're worshipping Mary. Here it is again:
quote:
Hail Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Notice the BIG part. Calling her "Holy" is worship. Calling her the "Mother of God" is worship. How could it not be?
Even your fellow-Catholic frllow-idiot Porkncheese agrees that it is worship. Message 643
Dredge writes:
One of the Catholic titles for Mary - Mother of God - comes from Luke 1:43, when her cousin Elizabeth calls her "the mother of my Lord".
To Elizabeth, "my Lord" was not God, it was Jesus. The trinitarian heresy was invented later. And "a" lord is not the same as "the" Lord.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 671 of 1864 (899785)
10-19-2022 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 669 by candle2
10-19-2022 9:59 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
candle2 writes:
dating methods rely on
assumptions. And, assuming something is not science;
it is guesswork.
Until you learn what assumptions are, your objection is worthless. And if you ever DO learn what assumptions are, you'll drop the silly objection.
Yes, we do assume that radioactive decay rates are constant - and the fact that they ARE constant has been VERY thoroughly confirmed. Scientists have been unable to find any conditions or processes that can change decay rates.
So, an "asumption" in science is a fact that has already been confirmed by other work.
cndle2 writes:
I do read articles from both sides.
That would appear to be a lie, since you're still espousing the totally-refuted creationist nonsense about radiometric dating.
(Even the creationist RATE group had to concede that creationist objections to radiometric dating are groundless.)

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 683 of 1864 (900041)
10-22-2022 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 680 by candle2
10-22-2022 9:55 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
candle2 writes:
... there is no way to test past conditions on earth.
The earth itself is a record of its past. Dig a hole and you'll see the record of the latest local flood, the latest volcanic eruption, etc. The number of floods will even give you a pretty good idea about the weather in the past. You'll see the remains of the animals that used to live there, so you'll get a pretty good idea about what they ate, which will also give you an idea about the weather.
And you can learn it by yourself in your own back yard.
Avoid those lying creationist websites and learn something.
candle2 writes:
we cannot get past the
absence of transitional fossils.
Some liar has told you that. If you did find a fossil in your back yard, how would you know whether it was transitional or not? If you can't recognize a transitional fossil, how can you say there are none?
candle2 writes:
Nor, can we get around the
fact that never has life been observed coming from
non-life.
Nor can we see Rome being built. Yet we're pretty sure it was built - and we can get a pretty good idea of HOW it was done. By your logic, there is no way that we could learn anything about ancient Rome.
candle2 writes:
If I did not want to believe in the God of creation, I would
still have no other choice.
Neither abiogenesis nor evolution "disprove" God's creation. However, the evidence supports abiogenesis and evolution. There is no evidence that supports God.
candle2 writes:
I am not a big enough fool to believe in an evolutionary
concept that is filled with more holes than Swiss cheese.
Swiss cheese is not defined by the holes; it's defined by the cheese.
(Are you a big enough fool to not understand that?)

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 690 of 1864 (900163)
10-24-2022 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 684 by candle2
10-22-2022 3:49 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
candle2 writes:
Evolutionists view evolution in the same way that they
see Swiss cheese.

They ignore all of the holes that exist in both.
*shrug* You say that like it was a bad thing.
Sure there are gaps in our knowledge. There are gaps in our knowledge on every subject. (Even your almighty knowledge of your god has gaps in it.)
As I said, we don't ignore the cheese just because it has holes in it. The cheese itself is still good.
candle2 writes:
You can talk all you want, but talk doesn't produce
transitional fossils.
YOU can talk all YOU want but YOUR talk won't eliminate the transitional fossils that we DO have. If you were honest (you're not), you could look up "transitional fossils" yourself and find out how many transitional fossils we DO have. But you'd rather believe the lies that creationist tell you.
candle2 writes:
They don't exist. And, you know they don't.
Liar. If you looked, you'd find them.
candle2 writes:
If evolution were true, we would have tens, perhaps
hundreds, of millions of transitional fossils.
Show us your calculations. You can't, can't you? Because those numbers are just lies made up by creationists.
candle2 writes:
Even Darwin who laugh at his own concept if he
knew what we know today.
Darwin would certainly be impressed by how thoroughly his ideas have been confirmed. Look at DNA, for example. Darwin only knew D and N and A as letters in the alphabet. Today, DNA has confirmed evolution many, many times over.
Why are your "arguments" a hundred years old? Because you don't have the first inkling of a clue about DNA?
candle2 writes:
Even the simple single cell organisms are more
complicated and complex than the most modern
factories.
And?
candle2 writes:
Evolution is impossible.
It seems impossible for you to learn anything.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 710 of 1864 (900235)
10-25-2022 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 693 by candle2
10-24-2022 6:18 PM


Re: candle2 church
candle2 writes:
Hundreds of celebrities have admitted to selling
themselves to Satan.
We've heard that lie before.
I'll make it easy on you: since you claim there are "hundreds", name just fifty.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 711 of 1864 (900236)
10-25-2022 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 708 by Dredge
10-25-2022 11:17 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Dredge writes:
You don't have to be mentally ill to be a Democrat ... but it would certainly help.
You're misquoting John Stuart Mill:
quote:
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
You prove his point.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 743 of 1864 (900452)
10-27-2022 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 735 by candle2
10-27-2022 9:35 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
candle2 writes:
If the baby is killed by accident, God states that the
one(s) responsible should still be put to death.
So, to be clear, you're in favor of executing woman who have abortions?
WWJD? What would Jesus do?
Hm....
quote:
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
I like to point out that Jesus didn't cast the first stone either.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 744 of 1864 (900453)
10-27-2022 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 740 by Phat
10-27-2022 10:14 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Phat writes:
Liberals try and support everything by appropriating other people's money.
Stop it. Republicans have taxes too.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 750 of 1864 (900530)
10-28-2022 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 748 by candle2
10-28-2022 10:01 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
candle2 writes:
Jesus was the member of the God family who wrote the
10 Commandments on stone, with His own finger.
You're making that up. Jesus wan't born until centuries after the Ten Commandments were written.
candle2 writes:
Misguided people try to use Jesus' words to not cast the
first stone, as to judge not.
Misguided people - like you - try to use the Old Testament to overrule Jesus.
candle2 writes:
To support this belief they quote Matthew 7:1 "Judge not
that ye be no judged."
I didn't say anything about judging. Go ahead and judge all you want. What Jesus said was that none of us is qualified to carry out our judgement, at least not to the point of death. And He included Himself in that disqualification.
candle2 writes:
But read verse 5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam
out of thine own eyes; AND then shalt thou see clearly to
cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
See? By all means, judge your brother - but only after you have judged yourself by the same standard (or an even higher standard). By all means, stone the adulterous woman - but only after you have been stoned yourself for your own sins. Remember Who also said that we are ALL sinners?
candle2 writes:
Jesus came into the world to pay our death penalty.
That makes no sense.
But even if it did, it would include the adulterous woman's death penalty.
candle2 writes:
As our Creator His life is worth far more than all of ours
combined.
What life? How can a god be alive?
candle2 writes:
If a woman keeps sleeping around and having abortions,
she should be somehow held accountable.
What about a twelve-year-old girl who is raped? Shall we execute her too?
candle2 writes:
In any event, I believe that a doctor who murders little
babies should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
They already are. It's what the (human) law should say that's in question here.
You would execute a doctor who saves a woman's life by terminating a pregnancy that is killing her. That's sick.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 752 of 1864 (900535)
10-28-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 751 by candle2
10-28-2022 12:11 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
candle2 writes:
The Conservatives did not own slaves;
That is not true.
quote:
Enslavers came from all parts of the political spectrum. The Post’s database includes lawmakers who were members of more than 60 political parties. Federalists, Whigs, Unionists, Populists, Progressives, Prohibitionists and dozens more: All those parties included slaveholders. source

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 756 of 1864 (900544)
10-28-2022 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 754 by candle2
10-28-2022 12:44 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
candle2 writes:
Are you retarded? I am serious. Are you retarded?
We say "intellectually challenged" now. My brother used to coach a Special Olympics track team and he said that "we" should be more like "them". I've met a lot of the team members and I tend to agree.
candle2 writes:
I never said that anyone should be executed because
they were raped.
You seem to be in favor of executing women who have abortions. Are you or are you not?
And how is it different if the woman was raped? Is it not still "murder"?
candle2 writes:
We don't even execute the rapist. Why would you think
that we should execute the woman who was raped,
especially a 12 year old child?
Because she had an abortion, which you call "murder".
candle2 writes:
Less than one percent of abortions are performed in
order to save the mother's life.
So what? If abortion is "murder", then she's a murderer, even if she had the abortion to save her life.
candle2 writes:
This particular situation is between the woman; her
husband, if she has one; and, God.
Why isn't EVERY situation between the woman, her husband, if she has one, and God? Why do you have to stick your nose in?
candle2 writes:
Are there any murders of babies that you are against?
I'm against all murders of babies. But abortion is not considered murder in any civilized society.
candle2 writes:
Tell me, if you can read...
If I couldn't read, how do you think we got this far, genius?
candle2 writes:
...does Ephesians 3:8-10 mention
God creating all things by Jesus Christ.
It does. What has that got to do with abortion?
candle2 writes:
If it does then stop saying that Jesus did not create all
things. But be honest.
I am honest. Paul was wrong.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 758 of 1864 (900548)
10-28-2022 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 755 by candle2
10-28-2022 12:57 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
candle2 writes:
The Republican Party, took us back to the Constitution,
that all men are created equal
Abraham Lincoln would weep if he saw the thugs in the Republican Party today.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 761 of 1864 (900679)
10-30-2022 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 759 by Phat
10-29-2022 3:54 PM


Re: Wrong Until Further Notice
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Paul was wrong.
The hubris is strong in this one!
No hubris about it. Jesus wasn't born until millennia after the creation, so Paul was clearly wrong to associate Him with it.
Phat writes:
Name 5 specific things that the Apostle Paul was wrong about.
Since you don't answer most of what I post, I don't feel obligated to answer everything you demand.
If you want to discuss Paul being wrong, there's already an example on the table.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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