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Pollux Member (Idle past 115 days) Posts: 303 Joined:
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Hi candle2
You say you are not SDA but your statements mimic theirs. If you will not say which is your church, can you tell us what you accept as the age of the Earth?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.4
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You make a lot of derogatory accusations against scientists, but have never shown a single shred of supporting evidence.
These threads refute you erroneous accusations and explain how all the dating systems work and how they are calibrated. If you want the truth about how science actually works and why scientist trust assumptions that have been tested thousands of times the answers are readily available right here in these threads at EvC. The first 2 were compiled by RAZD a long time member here. And the third was started by Coyote, an archaeologist who dated thousands of samples. When thousands of other scientist may be relying on your data, cheating and fraud will be exposed, and would ruin a career.
The Age of the Earth (version 3 no 1 part 1) The Age of the Earth (version 3 no 1 part 2) Assumptions involved in scientific datingStop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6067 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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When thousands of other scientist may be relying on your data, cheating and fraud will be exposed, and would ruin a career. Whereas all creationists rely on from other creationists' "work" is that it is sensationalist and sounds convincing. Cheating and fraud will never endanger any creationist's career, mainly because sensationalist claims are created through cheating and fraud. I already pointed him to my draft web page which examines the major differences between scientists and creationists: Fundamental Differences Between Scientists and Creationists. There I break down step-by-step the differences between how scientists do things in contrast to how creationists do things. Since it presents that information in a two-column table, translating it to would be bothersome.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Would it be fair to say you have an unhealthy obsession with creationism?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
So when the angel Gabriel greeted Mary with "Hail" (Luke 1:28), he was worshipping Mary?
One of the Catholic titles for Mary - Mother of God - comes from Luke 1:43, when her cousin Elizabeth calls her "the mother of my Lord".Does this mean Elizabeth worshipped Mary?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8650 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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You're the one suffering from the disease. It's already ate your brain out.
And, no, Altarboy, the meat-crackers won't help. They're part of the cause. Lose the meat-cracker and blood fests and you may recover.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8650 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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So when the angel Gabriel greeted Mary with "Hail" (Luke 1:28), he was worshipping Mary? I don't know. I've never met the guy. But when you pray:
Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Then yes you are worshiping.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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candle2 Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 892 Joined: |
Pollux, there are a number of differences between my
beliefs and those of the SDA. I do not know how old the earth is, neither does anyoneelse. Satan sat on the throne of earth before the week longrenewal in Genesis. How long Satan was here before he rebelled? The Bibleis silent about this. I am not trying to bring members into the Church that Iam a member off.
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candle2 Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 892 Joined: |
Dwise 1, I do read articles from both sides. A well
rounded individual will do this. You can lay out articles day after day; month aftermonths; and, year after year, but dating methods rely on assumptions. And, assuming something is not science; it is guesswork. It is impossible to determine what the atmosphere waslike 5000 years ago. It is impossible to determine what the atmosphere waslike prior to the global flood. Do you have the slightest idea how much carbon wasremoved from the atmosphere and buried during and after the flood? I am not the one with the blinders on here, Dwise 1.You are.
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ringo Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Who cares about amgels. When HUMANS pray, "Hail Mary," they're worshipping Mary. Here it is again:
So when the angel Gabriel greeted Mary with "Hail" (Luke 1:28), he was worshipping Mary?quote:Notice the BIG part. Calling her "Holy" is worship. Calling her the "Mother of God" is worship. How could it not be? Even your fellow-Catholic frllow-idiot Porkncheese agrees that it is worship. Message 643 Dredge writes:
To Elizabeth, "my Lord" was not God, it was Jesus. The trinitarian heresy was invented later. And "a" lord is not the same as "the" Lord. One of the Catholic titles for Mary - Mother of God - comes from Luke 1:43, when her cousin Elizabeth calls her "the mother of my Lord"."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
Until you learn what assumptions are, your objection is worthless. And if you ever DO learn what assumptions are, you'll drop the silly objection. dating methods rely onassumptions. And, assuming something is not science; it is guesswork. Yes, we do assume that radioactive decay rates are constant - and the fact that they ARE constant has been VERY thoroughly confirmed. Scientists have been unable to find any conditions or processes that can change decay rates. So, an "asumption" in science is a fact that has already been confirmed by other work.
cndle2 writes:
That would appear to be a lie, since you're still espousing the totally-refuted creationist nonsense about radiometric dating. I do read articles from both sides. (Even the creationist RATE group had to concede that creationist objections to radiometric dating are groundless.)"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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nwr Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 9.2
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You can lay out articles day after day; month after months; and, year after year, but dating methods rely on assumptions. And, assuming something is not science; it is guesswork. Every time you take a step while walking, you assume that your foot won't fall through the ground. That's an assumption. All of life is full of assumptions. Even mathematics depends on assumptions (which we call axioms). You cannot get away from depending on assumptions. The assumptions that science makes are well tested.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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candle2 Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 892 Joined: |
Nwr, the wrong assumption can lead to wrong conclusions.
The look of quicksand can be quite deceptive. A footstepping into quicksand can become entangled. Or a foot stepping on a rattlesnake under a pile of leavescan cost a person his life. I do not have an issue with someone stating that theybelieve in evolution, or that they have confidence in dating methods. Just don't try to pass it off as being fact. And don't saythat those who do not believe in these issues do not support science.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8650 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Just don't try to pass it off as being fact. And don't say that those who do not believe in these issues do not support science. We don't pass anything off as fact. We have the experiments and the data that show those facts precisely. We know, even if you don't, how and why the measurement works. And, yes, those who do not accept this science do so for religious reasons and do not support science. You are decidedly anti-science.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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nwr Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 9.2
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Nwr, the wrong assumption can lead to wrong conclusions. Agreed. However, the assumptions behind radio carbon dating have been thoroughly tested. We understand that you don't like them because they thoroughly refute your YEC beliefs. But your YEC beliefs are only an assumptioin.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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