Religion is Evil!

"First, I am a Christian. I have no religion."
What?!!?I believe the evil one is the human, there's no rule in any "good" religion to kill. Instead they tell us not to kill and do goodness.
Not the religion which is evil, the human is.Now, if we don't have religion from the beginning, would there be people who give donations, do goodness to others, etc. ?
I think people would be greedy, and do what ever they like, no rules, don't care to other. (Why should we care, we only live ones, so let's have some fun.)I believe, what GOD gave us is good if used in right a way and a right portion.
Extacy: used in some doses for elders. (To stimulate them).
Weed (marijuana): in some doses helps your methabolism.
Nuclear weapon: could be use to destroy meteor. But instead man use it to destroy other man.It's humans who is evil, since Adam & Eve ate the fruit.. they could die and they do sins. And the genes go pass-trough us.

I would like to add something.Instead blaming religions being evil, why not blaming satan (source of evil) for decieving Adam (and now us) in to evil? And try to be his enemy.
It's like a saying: Barking to the wrong tree.

Well, it's a free-will, right?
GOD did tell Adam not to eat from that tree.
If GOD didn't let Adam eat the tree, it's the same like forcing and there's no love in forcing somebody to love.

I said that to defend GOD, WHO you were blaming and to point the free-will.
Not just free-will but He also gives rules to Adam, so He didn't intend to make Adam like that.
Also to ilustrate:
Same like us, God gave us His words to people. And it's up to people to choose wether they want to believe it or not.I'm blaming satan, Adam n Eve were being decieved by him.
I think.. God left the tree there, so Adam could choose.. to obey Him or not. If there's no tree how would Adam choose? Adam had no knowing of these things before he ate it. God only forbid Adam for eating from that three.

What I want to say is.. don't blame GOD for providing the free-will options for us.Upps, I think this is going out of topic.. is that, OK?

Thanks Mike the Wiz,
I won't turn this into Adam n Eve thread.. just try to explain my point of view about evilness, and not to blame God or religions because of it.

1) Yes, people would still have actions that can be characterized as "good".
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Maybe if there's no religion.. killing without torturing the fictims is considerable good already.2) What world are you living in anyway??? Christian people are just as greedy as anyone else!
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Surely you can't say them as Christians.. they are just a people who pretend to be a Christian. If one is a Christian, he/ she has to do what Christians' teachings. And you can see it from Christian's Bible, to give to the poor, do goodness, etc.3) I would point out that for me it has an opposite effect of what you are saying...I make myself more accountable for my actions in this life instead of focusing on the afterlife (how very pagan of you)
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Heh? Well, maybe you got a wrong teachings about Christians. Christians have to obey God and do what in the Bible (again Goodness) so they can go on the afterlife not in Hell.
Who said I don't focusing on this life? If not then who am I?Well, I don't have real scientific evidence about the genes. But we do getting old, we do sins, etc. Just like Adam after he ate that fruit. (Ah.. I said about Adam and the fruit again.)
Again if you don't believe in Bible, I can tell you nothing about it.

"This is a "cop-out". I could argue that anyone who is agnostic/atheist is good. If you then show me an atheist/agnostic who isn't good I can just say "well they must not be a true atheist/agnostic". Give me a break!!"
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Like I told you it's the human not the religions. Give me a break!!I do, thank you very much, BUT I am not Christian. So, whatcha' gonna claim next about how being religious gives you some moral advantage over everyone else?
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Who said I want or will get moral advantage?
In Christian religion, we are supposed to be somebody who could guide or give Gospels to people. I don't want moral advantage.. I want to go to Heaven.At least nothing logical/sensical. You would have to work hard to convince me there is a "sin" gene.
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Like I said I can only answer this from Biblical answer.
There is a "sin" gene, because we all do sins.
BUT.. not Jesus.. He was from the Heaven an He is the GOD. Makes sense?And who told you that Adam and Eve would live forever, not get old?
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God didn't forbid to eat the tree of life, only the tree of Good and Evil.
Please, stop about the Adam n Eve, OK? I thought there were many discussion about this.

People tend to have wrong assuptions about Christians. They think Christians want something in return, moral advantages, etc. (like what Taqless said) by telling others. While what they want to do is just to help others, I can't say all Christians want only that. (Like I said humans are sinners).Now, if you know that, there are going to be a flood.. will you tell other people to do something? OR just let it be and run for yourself?Christians know they will be get mocked, etc. (also in the Bible you can read about this) but they still want to help others by telling Gospels, about end of the world, about God, etc. Because it's in their Bible and they want to help. Look at Noah for example, people were just laughing at him for telling there was going to be a flood.And you say religion is evil. The prophecy is becoming true.
Just my oppinion.

"motion-detecting laser gun."--> funny one, I like that. I believe the fruit from ToL only needs to be eaten once.
(Gen 3:22) "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever."
And that's why God put "some kind of motion-detecting laser gun to guard it."But on Gen 3:19-> "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
God cursed Adam so he would be back to dust or die.
What I believe... Adam did eat the fruit from ToL, so he was an immortal but then God cursed Adam so he would return to dust. And God put the "laser thing" to prevent Adam from eating it.(Sorry Mike, I will try to talk more about religion)Verzem:
"Oh, and to get back on topic, goodness in humanity is innate and has nothing to do with any religion. That should be a no-brainer to everyone."
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Well, I know you have read the Bible.. so at least you know some people who repent and become believers. And the word repent is.. try to avoid sin which they did before, I think it's one good example of what religion can do for goodness if you use it in a right way."goodness in humanity has nothing to do with any religion."
I don't believe that this is a right statement. What I do agree is that humanity now is affected by religions, try to imagine if there's no religion. No rules from God which people use now.But again some people use or made rules in the name of religion to cover their sins or they prefer their names to be praised.. like some Hebrews in the Bible, who hated Jesus.If there's no religion.. how people know that killing is bad? You read the Bible you surely know.. Moses even killed an Egyptian because the Egyptian was smiting on an Hebrew. (Exodus 2:11)
People didn't know that killing others is a sin for God. So He gave 10 commandments so people know something about what are considerable as sins for God.
If there's no religion.. maybe killing is normal now. Or like I said, killing without torturing could be considered as a good thing already. (One imagination if there's no religion).We should be thankfull for religions and ofcourse God, for having this kind of world.. not worse.

DC85
"Amazing I am not religious and I don't have no will to kill anyone...."
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You don't have will to kill anyone, because you don't live in a social place like that (because of religions). I tried to give you example, like Moses.. He did live in a place where life has no worth.
The 10 Commandments were not there yet.
And so.. he killed just because he saw somebody beating one Hebrew guy.
Hope you got my point now."Did you know Christens have been responsible for a good amount of killings due to the religious differences?"
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Again you only tell about some Christians, which I did say that people or human are sinners. Give me an evidence stating that becoming a Christian makes your brain behave like a murderer.. then I will agree with your statement about religions.(Adam n Eve... again)
Did God tempt Adam and Eve? God gave all this world to Adam and Eve, but with only one rule, don't eat from that tree. Not just the world, but the stars also. The stars? Yes, I think so.
(Gen 1:14) "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years"
God made us stars, etc. for us to know the years, seasons and even some birds fly look on the stars also.
The snake who tempt Eve about the knowledge of good and evil.
The snake (satan) IS the sinner."Until after they ate the fruit, so they couldn't learn the difference! so where they wrongfully punished? isn't that unjust?"
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One thing you have to see is.. God give them only ONE rule. NOT to eat from that tree.
Only one rule, but they failed. While God had given them... alot.To Mike:
Hi Mike, just did't feel good. I did say did't want to make this an Adam n Eve thread and now I did. And also afraid of the mods too.. they look like quite strict.
And thank you for the compliment, really appreciate it.Take care all.[EDIT]: upps, sorry Mods.[This message has been edited by Chris, 02-18-2004]

To DC85:
Sorry DC, I can't answer your questions here, you heard the mod.
(Little info about the serpent, read: Revelation 12:9)Peter: 'Jesus Saves. But Peter Scores on the rebound.'
But still His team won the match, and He's The Man of The Match.

Let's see it in this way..
Adam did see what God can do, he did see God made animals, he knew God made Eve from him.So.. what did Adam know?
Let's see:
- God made the garden (world).
- God made plants and animals.
- God made him.
- God made him a companion.
- God told him to take care of the garden.
- God is full of love (gave what Adam needed & allowed him to named the animals).
- God gave him rule, a very special rule.
So he knew that God IS the BOSS.(It was Eve the source of this, but it's not the issue here since they can exchange informations, so no different..I will use they).
After knowing all that, they believe more in a serpent than God? Just because the serpent said:
- Ye shall not surely die;
- For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.So, they doubted God, because:
1. They want to be as God, know good and evil.
2. They trust their own reasoning than trust in God. (Some how same like us).
3. Just a stranger or somebody said that.They don't have to be wise to know that the serpent is wrong.Actually, I think the fruit gives a consciousness, not wisdom.
"6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise,"
This could be use on the Bible to discribe what Eve thought about the tree. Satan used that only to make Eve tempted. And satan would not say to Eve that the fruit only gives consciousness.
So after ate the fruit, they become conscious that they are naked.
And after that you can read Adam said, "I was afraid, because I was naked and I hid myself."
If you are naked are you afraid? I think Adam felt guilty but he did not know, so he thought that the feeling was there because he was naked. While Adam & Eve had sewed fig leaves to cover their nakedness...
(Nah..forget it, I quess it's just another stupid assumption).DC: "how Can you know that obeying God's command was the right thing to do?"
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Because they knew God is the Boss.DC: "As soon as someone told them different they did that as they cannot tell the difference between the 2 .... understand?"
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They knew those 2 were againsting each other. They knew who is The Boss. Yet they prefered not to trust The Boss, instead they trusted the stranger, cause they wanted to be the boss or like the Boss.After wrote this, I got a feeling the histoy is coming back. Humans also want to be the boss and also prefer to trust their own reasoning. (Just oppinion)And like what Stephen said, if you love somebody, care, give everything they need, etc. Then someday, somehow, that somebody prefer to trust to a stranger than you (while you espesially told your love one about that). How would you feel? And don't forget God is full of love or The source of it.Hope this help.Uh..I broke my promise again. Now, I won't write here about Adam and Eve anymore. If I did, you could ban me for breaking the forum's rule.

MrHambre: "simply because I happen to have different opinions on spiritual or philosophical matters, I'm 'despicable,' as well as 'below contempt.'"
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Olla.. Colla down Senor Hambre, Stephen wrote:
"An agnostic, who simply doesn't know something, is responsible to learn. To ignore some source of knowledge is to be ignorant, which is disrespectable, even despicable."I think it was meant for an Agnostic who knows nothing but doesn't want to learn anything. I don't think he meant that for all Agnostic guys out there.
Anyway.. nice counter.
(Just an oppinion)

Mammuthus: "He has repeatedly aimed his comments at anyone who disagrees with him..not just agnostics."
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Ah...is that so?
Well, I have nothing to say then. Hope he also learn from this too.DC85: "I am sorry you missed the point and I really don't want to explain it again no offence."
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Then.. we both missed the point.
No prob, DC. If you want to ask about it, just let me know the link to the thread.Best wishes.