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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I suppose if a evil person is actively engaging in a evil religion then under these circumstances religion could be considered evil. Of course you still have the active particpate of this evil religion absoultley convinced that his religion is the only right one.
So I guess it is a matter of ones individual perception. Oh... wait .. that opens up a whole can of evil little worms doesn't it. |
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Rhavin writes: Maybe not ALL. But anyone who denies the holocaust in this day and age can not be all too bright. Do you believe all of the leaders of Iran to be suicidally stupid? Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Ok, I will be the first to say i never want to find out.
There is an old Arab proverb: There was a scorpion and a frog sitting on the bank of a river.the scorpion saw that the frog wanted to cross the river and asked if he could get a ride. The frog said "No you will sting me." To which the scorpion replied, " No I won't if I do we will both drown. So the frog said ok. The scorpion climbed on the frog's back and just when they were in the exact middle of the river the scorpion stings the frog. Frog says, "Ouch, you stung me, why did you sting me? The scorpion says, " I am a scorpion dumb ass."
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hello Rahvin, I am glad this is the case. During the cold war in 1981 Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear facility.
I would not be to surprised if they decided to do it to Iran. Despite logic and rhetoric, who is right and who is wrong. Again, I am thankful when cooler heads prevail. But can not help being a archaic cold war propagandized relic. Edmund Burke once said the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Now again there we are again with those two words, Evil and good. I am glad the Good side came out on top during WWII. Arent you?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Yeah, we should all hold hands and sing I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harrrr-mo-neee!
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I was merely pointing out, albeit rather crudely how unrealistic it is to think governments will see the very cogent and logical points yourself and Rahvin has made.
I agree with you both. The U.S. has a double standard in how it chooses to view terrorism. How it chooses to label what torture is. How it chooses to wage undeclared wars. I get it.I feel it is disgusting how the saber rattling hawks in America want to perpetuate the continued march to war in the name of "freedom". It is not freedom for which we march. But for Money,Power and Control.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Hello GDR, It is easy looking back through history how the chain of events of the past led to the new problems and crisis of today. I served in the Military and can remember a time when stationed in West Germany how America was viewed in a positive light. I traveled all over Europe and can say the U.S. was like a rock star. When someone found out there was a American in they're midst open smiles and warm welcome. Sadly it is not like that any longer.
It seems we are viewed by many as meddling ignorant bullys, who want to make the world our personal playground. I can not put my finger on exactly how this change came about, but I can not help but think it was when we began to disregard other nations. When we began to conduct ourselves in a way that was contrary to our former ideals and put ourselves above our own principles. Decades of apathy I feel has produced our state of current polarized government. Decades of abject greed and self absorbed materialism has spawned a generation of idiots being led by zealots. I feel that Countries must abide by the Golden rule and treat others as we would like to be treated. This seems to be a universal constant that has been lost in a sea of mistrust.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I too am ex-military back when the C-130 was a new aircraft type.
"I am torn by war, I know little of why I am here. I only know not to separate myself from my gear. If I am to die, let it be for my brothers and no other." Salute.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Hello Hooah, you touch upon a interesting point.
Hooah writes: I would hardly consider conclusions based on evidence "beliefs". I'll let you religionists "believe" things. In some sense I understand this statement. However it has been my experience that I can not function in life without beliefs. In my daily activities I filter the world through my previous belief systems to come to conclusions about what knowledge is presented. I do not and can not fact check and verify everything and therefore make my decisions based on beliefs. Even empirical evidence that guides our decisions are based on the belief that the data is correct. Or that the source is accurate, etc. There are many kinds of beliefs, some delusional and some rational. The British empiricist David Hume was notorious for challenging our certainties. Anna Rowley"You want your beliefs to change. It's proof that you are keeping your eyes open, living fully, and welcoming everything that the world and people around you can teach you." This means that peoples' beliefs should evolve as they gain new experiences"
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I can not prove or know anything with absolute certainty beyond the indubitable. HUH?? You said "We all believe things we can't prove or know." and I responded saying that only faith heads do that. "Believing" something is an extremely poor way to examine reality let alone come to a conclusion. Philosophy | West Valley Collegehttp://www-phil.tamu.edu/~sdaniel/Notes/96class15.html Just my 2 centavos.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
hooah212002 writes: Technically yes. Because we are basing the sun's rising on the previous knowledge that has risen before for the past 4.5 billion years. We can not know it will.
But is it a belief in this context? I don't think I can conflate trust in the scientific method (because it can be replicated and has proven since it's inception to the absolute most reliable method for observing the world we live in) with belief in the same sense. I trust in the scientific method. I believe the scientific method has served humanity well. Do either of these statements ruffle your feathers? Trust and belief are both acceptable uses in this example.
I disagree. The data is there and can be tested and retested. The only "belief" in this sense is one that our senses are not lying to us: solopsism. Are you a solopsist? No. not a solopsist.I contend that the belief or trust in a certain premise or facts presented being true; is tentative on the weight and veracity of the evidence on hand. Since we can not verify every single fact and event presented to us daily, we believe the evidence based on the tentative and current state of our own personal belief system. hooah212002 I leave even the word belief to religionists.
Fair enough.
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