Religion is Evil!

1) Yes, people would still have actions that can be characterized as "good".
2) What world are you living in anyway??? Christian people are just as greedy as anyone else!
3) I would point out that for me it has an opposite effect of what you are saying...I make myself more accountable for my actions in this life instead of focusing on the afterlife (how very pagan of you) LOL, care to provide proof of that?

Thanks Mike the Wiz,
I won't turn this into Adam n Eve thread.. just try to explain my point of view about evilness, and not to blame God or religions because of it.

1) Yes, people would still have actions that can be characterized as "good".
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Maybe if there's no religion.. killing without torturing the fictims is considerable good already.2) What world are you living in anyway??? Christian people are just as greedy as anyone else!
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Surely you can't say them as Christians.. they are just a people who pretend to be a Christian. If one is a Christian, he/ she has to do what Christians' teachings. And you can see it from Christian's Bible, to give to the poor, do goodness, etc.3) I would point out that for me it has an opposite effect of what you are saying...I make myself more accountable for my actions in this life instead of focusing on the afterlife (how very pagan of you)
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Heh? Well, maybe you got a wrong teachings about Christians. Christians have to obey God and do what in the Bible (again Goodness) so they can go on the afterlife not in Hell.
Who said I don't focusing on this life? If not then who am I?Well, I don't have real scientific evidence about the genes. But we do getting old, we do sins, etc. Just like Adam after he ate that fruit. (Ah.. I said about Adam and the fruit again.)
Again if you don't believe in Bible, I can tell you nothing about it.

This is a "cop-out". I could argue that anyone who is agnostic/atheist is good. If you then show me an atheist/agnostic who isn't good I can just say "well they must not be a true atheist/agnostic". Give me a break!! I do, thank you very much, BUT I am not Christian. So, whatcha' gonna claim next about how being religious gives you some moral advantage over everyone else? At least nothing logical/sensical. You would have to work hard to convince me there is a "sin" gene. And who told you that Adam and Eve would live forever, not get old? I don't recall that being said anywhere (I could be wrong though).

I dont think that that is hard at all. a colummm is not a row. Perhaps you are saing that "s" "i" EN are not but then that is just silly.

"This is a "cop-out". I could argue that anyone who is agnostic/atheist is good. If you then show me an atheist/agnostic who isn't good I can just say "well they must not be a true atheist/agnostic". Give me a break!!"
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Like I told you it's the human not the religions. Give me a break!!I do, thank you very much, BUT I am not Christian. So, whatcha' gonna claim next about how being religious gives you some moral advantage over everyone else?
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Who said I want or will get moral advantage?
In Christian religion, we are supposed to be somebody who could guide or give Gospels to people. I don't want moral advantage.. I want to go to Heaven.At least nothing logical/sensical. You would have to work hard to convince me there is a "sin" gene.
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Like I said I can only answer this from Biblical answer.
There is a "sin" gene, because we all do sins.
BUT.. not Jesus.. He was from the Heaven an He is the GOD. Makes sense?And who told you that Adam and Eve would live forever, not get old?
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God didn't forbid to eat the tree of life, only the tree of Good and Evil.
Please, stop about the Adam n Eve, OK? I thought there were many discussion about this.

People tend to have wrong assuptions about Christians. They think Christians want something in return, moral advantages, etc. (like what Taqless said) by telling others. While what they want to do is just to help others, I can't say all Christians want only that. (Like I said humans are sinners).Now, if you know that, there are going to be a flood.. will you tell other people to do something? OR just let it be and run for yourself?Christians know they will be get mocked, etc. (also in the Bible you can read about this) but they still want to help others by telling Gospels, about end of the world, about God, etc. Because it's in their Bible and they want to help. Look at Noah for example, people were just laughing at him for telling there was going to be a flood.And you say religion is evil. The prophecy is becoming true.
Just my oppinion.

It doesn't say they were forbidden to eat from the tree of life, true. That doesn't let you assume that they must have.If they already had eaten from the TOL, why was god so concerned that they would eat from it after eating from the first tree, so concerned that he set up some kind of motion-detecting laser gun to guard it?Also, do you imagine that eating from the TOL just once gives the supposed immortality, or do you think regular consumption is necessary? If the latter, it is hardly immortality if it is dependent upon the mortality of a tree.Oh, and to get back on topic, goodness in humanity is innate and has nothing to do with any religion. That should be a no-brainer to everyone.Verzem

"motion-detecting laser gun."--> funny one, I like that. I believe the fruit from ToL only needs to be eaten once.
(Gen 3:22) "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever."
And that's why God put "some kind of motion-detecting laser gun to guard it."But on Gen 3:19-> "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
God cursed Adam so he would be back to dust or die.
What I believe... Adam did eat the fruit from ToL, so he was an immortal but then God cursed Adam so he would return to dust. And God put the "laser thing" to prevent Adam from eating it.(Sorry Mike, I will try to talk more about religion)Verzem:
"Oh, and to get back on topic, goodness in humanity is innate and has nothing to do with any religion. That should be a no-brainer to everyone."
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Well, I know you have read the Bible.. so at least you know some people who repent and become believers. And the word repent is.. try to avoid sin which they did before, I think it's one good example of what religion can do for goodness if you use it in a right way."goodness in humanity has nothing to do with any religion."
I don't believe that this is a right statement. What I do agree is that humanity now is affected by religions, try to imagine if there's no religion. No rules from God which people use now.But again some people use or made rules in the name of religion to cover their sins or they prefer their names to be praised.. like some Hebrews in the Bible, who hated Jesus.If there's no religion.. how people know that killing is bad? You read the Bible you surely know.. Moses even killed an Egyptian because the Egyptian was smiting on an Hebrew. (Exodus 2:11)
People didn't know that killing others is a sin for God. So He gave 10 commandments so people know something about what are considerable as sins for God.
If there's no religion.. maybe killing is normal now. Or like I said, killing without torturing could be considered as a good thing already. (One imagination if there's no religion).We should be thankfull for religions and ofcourse God, for having this kind of world.. not worse.

But I'm talking about something 3D NOT 2 (as in column/row).

Imo, you are right, of course, but posters like Chris always infer that without religion and/or god then people would not do "good" things or have morals. It is then followed that religion and/or god is required to avoid the spontaneous combustion of the world.-Taqless

Amazing I am not religious and I don't have no will to kill anyone.... Are you aware that studies on murders have shown the brain works alittle different then the average person? So are you saying if people weren't raised to believe killing is wrong they would Kill for fun? Doesn't seem like much fun to me.... But it might be to you....
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Did you know Christens have been responsible for a good amount of killings due to the religious differences? and that they forced other people to Become christen?
............................................As for Adam and Eve I can see you haven't been here very long that Is a huge topic here..
I am sorry but I need to ask these again
1)If God is not Evil why did he tempt them with them with the tree?
isn't that Evil to tempt?
2) How can you understand what God said is good when you don't know the difference between good and Evil? It clearly states in the Bible that they didn't know the difference before they ate the fruit. How could they know that the serpent was evil and God was good?Here is an example choose between these words
supigloprgoge and ereytigerplop
One will damn you forever and the other will save you. Choose one RIGHT NOW!

Hi DC85! When I was a child I didn't know the difference between good and evil, yet I obeyed my father because he is all I knew. Also - I went against him and I knew I had went against him. His booming voice would nearly make me piss my panties So I would know not to go against him again, and if I did - I would recieve spanked hide, and that would really get my panties wet. Nowadays - I'd throw the tyrant through the window. Added: Sorry I think I lost a sensible point in there somewhere.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 02-18-2004]

yes But if you did make a Mistake it was also understandable... you where a child who was learning... and you wouldn't be punished for that one mistake forever where you?
But what you also fail to realize is that the Bible seems to imply that they where also unable to comprehend good and evil Until after they ate the fruit. so they couldn't learn the difference! so where they wrongfully punished? isn't that unjust?[This message has been edited by DC85, 02-18-2004]

Well, they didn't take spanks forever. When they died sin was still in the world via their offspring. But interestingly, the ground " was cursed for their sakes " (from memory).P.S. Chris, you do not have to apologize to me, I am not a moderator - just another Christian poster like your good self.