Religion is Evil!

Well, if we're going to take that route, why not go further - why not blame God for letting Satan do it?

Well, now, wait. Who exactly are you blaming? Adam, who did it; Satan, who suggested it; or God, who left the tree there in the first place?

...I see. And it's what, your mental telepathy that allows you to come to that conclusion?How could somebody hate something that doesn't exist?[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 02-20-2004]

Or, alternatively, we genuinely believe that your god doesn't exist, and it's rather rude of you to call us all liars. Just a thought.

Well, when you say that atheists, who say they believe something, actually believe something different, you're calling us liars. And what I'm telling you is, when you refuse to take our statements at face-value, you're calling us liars. But I am an atheist. And it's impossible to be an atheist who hates god, because you can't hate what doesn't exist. So I'm forced to conclude that you're either talking about a group of people that you must know can't exist - god-hating atheists - or else you're insinuating that all atheists could be people who hate god. So you're essentially saying that there's a good chance that a given atheist is a liar.I'm not really offended. You just need to think about this a little more. Atheists aren't people who have rejected Christianity. They're people who don't believe in any god at all. You're inventing a fixation on Christianity that atheists just don't have. If you're looking for people who hate God, you should probably start by looking at the people who still believe in God.

Well, there's probably plenty that don't like the influence Christianity tried to exert on matters that are none of their business, but like I said, how can you hate a god that doesn't exist?

What?So, if I oppose a law that lets the police enter my bedroom to make sure my wife and I aren't committing acts that the Bible prohibits, somehow that means that I hate your God? What possible logic could you use to come to that conclusion? Yeah. I've see Christians do it, too. How can they hate God and Jesus and still have a personal relationship with him?Isn't it just possible that what you're seeing isn't hate but just an irreverent sense of humor? Christians do it too. I hardly think they're that offended.

You don't think the God of love has a sense of humor?Maybe since you're in a Muslim country, things are taken a little more seriously there. In the western world we joke about the things we care deeply about.[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 02-20-2004]

Thoughts? Where? All I saw was obfuscation made in an attempt to appear intellectual.If you've got something to say, say it clearly. Reading your posts is sometimes like trying to read the I Ching.

I'll paraphrase the Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook:Basically, clerics of a god have to be within one alignment step of their deity's alignment. So, followers of a Lawful Evil god have to be of Chaotic Evil, Netural Evil, Lawful Evil, or Lawful Neutral alignment. Neutral deities can have evil or good followers, but usually not both. (The deity picks which, I think.)So, in short, is religion evil? Only if your deity is.

Ludicrous. Spirits aren't even in the Player's Handbook. You have to delve into the Monster Manual before you find incorporeal undead.Why don't you try and play it sometime? If you wanted you could probably make up a deity in the game akin to the Christian God: Yaw-weh, the Lamb God, a Lawful Good deity of the Law, Good, and Sun domains.It's good, clean fun. You're more likely to learn more about the occult from reading Harry Potter than playing D&D. Uh, no. Congratulations on a response that once again appears to have almost nothing to do with what I actually said. Boy, you'll just take any opportunity at all to spout off your misconceptions about atheism and moral relativism, won't you?

Huh, I wish! Instead of the Young Witches' Primer I had hoped for, all I learned about the occult from Harry Potter was how to clean troll boogers off of a magic wand. Phooey.Honestly, if you're looking into the occult, I hardly think a dice game put out by Hasbro is going to be the place to start.Oh, and how come Focus on the Family et al. pisses themselves over Harry Potter but The Lord of the Rings is wholesome family entertainment, even though Gandalf is a wizard? Is it because Harry Potter is a fun read for a kid and the Lord of the Rings is boring? (There, I said it. I loved the movies but the books are agonizing.)

If there was any real reason to believe that was so, you might have better luck convincing us. As it stands it's just another thing you take on faith.That's fine for you, I guess.

Who's looking the other way? I think we should applaud. Everybody knows I'm no booster of Israel - quite the opposite - but I think assassinations are the one thing they get exactly right. How can it be worse to kill one man than to allow the entire region to descend into nuclear holocaust?If people who build nuclear weapons at the behest of madmen are given cause to think twice about the prospect of leaving their children fatherless, I see that as a good thing. Killing people who cannot seem to be dissuaded from a path that leads to widespread devastation isn't something you have to be religious to see the merit of.Anyway to say that we "looked the other way" suggests that Israel asked our permission. I don't think for a minute that it works like that.

"Liberal commie BS"?