Religion is Evil!

Well, when you say that atheists, who say they believe something, actually believe something different, you're calling us liars. And what I'm telling you is, when you refuse to take our statements at face-value, you're calling us liars. But I am an atheist. And it's impossible to be an atheist who hates god, because you can't hate what doesn't exist. So I'm forced to conclude that you're either talking about a group of people that you must know can't exist - god-hating atheists - or else you're insinuating that all atheists could be people who hate god. So you're essentially saying that there's a good chance that a given atheist is a liar.I'm not really offended. You just need to think about this a little more. Atheists aren't people who have rejected Christianity. They're people who don't believe in any god at all. You're inventing a fixation on Christianity that atheists just don't have. If you're looking for people who hate God, you should probably start by looking at the people who still believe in God.

So you mean that, there are no Atheist that hate Christianity or my God?

Well, there's probably plenty that don't like the influence Christianity tried to exert on matters that are none of their business, but like I said, how can you hate a god that doesn't exist?

Well, there's probably plenty that don't like the influence Christianity tried to exert on matters that are none of their business, but like I said, how can you hate a god that doesn't exist?
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If someone doesn't like the influence of Christianity tried to exert that none of their business, it also means hate the Christianity it-self and automaticaly their God.
Please note that I also use "maybe" and "just oppinion".And, common..please don't tell me you haven't seen people mocking Christianity or mocking Jesus.Oh...this is really going nowhere. Ok. if you feel offended by my words, I'm sorry. But people shouldn't be that easy mocking Christianity or Jesus. You should also consider what Christians feel about that, no?

What?So, if I oppose a law that lets the police enter my bedroom to make sure my wife and I aren't committing acts that the Bible prohibits, somehow that means that I hate your God? What possible logic could you use to come to that conclusion? Yeah. I've see Christians do it, too. How can they hate God and Jesus and still have a personal relationship with him?Isn't it just possible that what you're seeing isn't hate but just an irreverent sense of humor? Christians do it too. I hardly think they're that offended.

I always hated the klingons, and they don't exist!

"Christians do it too. I hardly think they're that offended."
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OH!! Then we have a totally different place and way of thinking here.
I live in a very strong Moslem country (or you can say, country with strong religious believe), so please excusse my point of view.
In that case you are right, I made mistake.
I don't think this place is for me.For Christians:
If you people said you are Christians. But you don't do what Jesus told you to do, it's a fake faith. How come you said you are Christian while you have no respect for Jesus..and do not what He told you to do?
You know God is full of love, how He feels if you mock Him? And you still said I'm a Believer, no wonder other people also make fun of our religion and God. I hope someday you all can learn to love, respect and have good faith in Jesus.
God bless.Take care all.

You don't think the God of love has a sense of humor?Maybe since you're in a Muslim country, things are taken a little more seriously there. In the western world we joke about the things we care deeply about.[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 02-20-2004]

"You don't think the God of love has a sense of humor?"
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Yeah.. but not when people called Him "dumb", and others jokes that disrespect Him.
Well, maybe you are right. I was being sensitive about this, I will try to take it easy."Maybe since you're in a Muslim country, things are taken a little more seriously there."
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Uh.. you don't know the terror, man. Church bombing and flaming, race discrimination, raping, sick joke about Jesus, etc. But luckily now it has stoped..but the wounds are still there.I don't think it's the religion.. it's the people. Since this thread is about religion, I will give you also verses from the Al-Quran:
(I was curious about the teaching).Sura Al-Israa [17:31-31]: "And do not kill your children for fear of poverty; We give them sustenance and yourselves (too); surely to kill them is a great wrong."Sura Al-An'am [6:151-151]: "Come, I will rehearse what God hath (really) prohibited you from": Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom."But some verses also like this:
Killing only during hostilities in progress,
Sura Al-Baqarah [2:191-191]: "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."So, what I believe.. those people have wrong assumptions about Al-Quran and we also.
But I don't know, I'm not a Moslem.. maybe our fellows Moslem could add or say something about this from their point of view.

Who is this God of Love, Crashfrog? Does He exist or is the love the love in each of our hearts? What do we care deeply about, Crashfrog? Is it someone who exists, like Chris? Just a thought or two to ponder.

Thoughts? Where? All I saw was obfuscation made in an attempt to appear intellectual.If you've got something to say, say it clearly. Reading your posts is sometimes like trying to read the I Ching.

My point was that Religion becomes more than a dogmatic concept when it becomes personal. Chris is a personality with a story to tell and a faith to share. Shared faith is more than a Cuckoos Nest encounter group where one mans giant turtle is another mans Jesus who Rose from the Dead. Shared Faith is the very essence and cutting edge of humanity on a quest for meaning. Religion is only Evil if it is misused.

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Intellectuals can be self righteous in that they have studied many different sources of knowledge and wisdom. Some of them are still humble enough to acknowledge a power greater than themselves yet for many of them, the only thing greater than themselves is the collective wisdom and reason of humanity.

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I disagree for several reasons. First off, many intellectuals do believe in a supreme being unless you are suggesting all believers are unintellectual? Second, if you are equating intellectual with scientist (which may or may not be the case) we are restricted to methodological naturalism and the existence or non-existence of god/gods/any diety like entity is completely irrelevant. Anecdote, personal experience, other non testable non falsifiable hypothesis or experiments are of no use in describing natural phenomenon. Finally, I find that many believers are actually far more arrogant. They claim that their beliefs coupled with ignorance of science is the equivalent of universal certitude. Scientists have to live with the tentativity inherent in methodological naturalism and even the most arrogant ass of a scientist stands in awe of nature and at the amount we do not know.

Based on this statement, I see that you are a believer of some sort. Since you disagree with my assessment of collective human wisdom being the highest pinnacle,(for you) what is it that you believe in? So now we are back to defining this supreme being. For me, He is Jesus Christ. God Incarnate. Crashfrog says to Chris: And I am puzzled at what Crashfrog means by "us." If he is referring to "us" as intellectuals, then I ask what type of an intellectual. A believer in a source higher than humanity or not? OK, Crashfrog. You say that God does not exist. Atheists have rejected Christ. Why? Based on judging His validity by their own source. Their source is either collective human wisdom or their own wisdom. My point is proven. To an atheist, human wisdom is the highest pinnacle. Human nature tends to rebel at an authority higher than ourselves. Even for believers. But we are working on it.

If you go to Google and search for the word "antichrist", you will see:
My Bible
Steve J. Quest Presents The Antichrist Atheist Website.
Click here to go to My Bible.
Description: Discusses anti-christianity and atheism.And inside you will see things like:
Christianity was created by the Romans as a tool,
originally intended to be used by Roman aristocrats and priests to
keep the slaves of Rome humble, fearful, hopeful... etc..etc.
And things like:
Dan - Former Preacher, now Atheist; Show the world YOU ARE AN ANTICHRIST!; A former christian DENOUNCES CHRIST!My oppinion was for people like these.
I've seen one guy (..so far..), who wrote things, showing that he hates Christianity. Telling people to do things that against Christianity, mocking Christianity and Jesus with no respect at all.And I said, "if you don't feel like that, just ignore my post". And I also said...it was just an oppinion.