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Faith 
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Message 316 of 364 (836228)
07-12-2018 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Tangle
07-12-2018 12:47 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
This started with you saying that Phat is only a CHristian because he was raised in a Christian society, but that utterly ignored the point that Phat's belief is a lot deeper than any cultural Christian and the comparison is false. If being raised in a Christian culture made you a Christian that defends Christianity the way I do or Phat or any of those who SAY they are Christians, then there would be no point whatever in our claiming to be Christians.
I assure you that before I became a believer I did not think of myself as a Christian, I thought of myself as an atheist, I customarily checked "none" when forms inquired as to my religion.; I didn't think of my parents as Christians either, and I didn't think of American society as Christian. When I first believed in God I really did think I would go with one of the eastern religions because that's what many of my friends were doing -- a bunch of nice Americans raised in a Christian society by Christian parents. They were followers of Hindu gurus or Buddhists or some New Age "entity" or whatnot. I didn't know a single Christian. And when I did start leaning toward Christianity my friends were horrified and a few tried to talk me out of it and one gave me a book about Gnosticism to give me what he thought was a more desirable alternative,
I had to be PERSUADED by reading a LOT of books about religion over at least two years before I began to think of myself as Christian.
Don't tell me I was already a Christian.; I was not.
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Faith 
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Message 318 of 364 (836238)
07-12-2018 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by Tangle
07-12-2018 5:38 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Even if statistically you are right, what you conclude based on that statistic is false, which is that it proves there is nothing special about Christianity, it is just another man-made religion. I've given enough information about how different Christianity is to show that you can't lump all religions together on such a basis, it's fallacious reasoning.

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Faith 
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Message 330 of 364 (836264)
07-13-2018 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 326 by Tangle
07-13-2018 11:08 AM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
The fact that statistically speaking people tend to identify with the religion of the culture they were born in SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about which religion is true, certainly doesn't preclude one of them being true.
And I chose Christianity not because I was born in a Christian culture, which ought to be clear from what I keep saying about that, but BECAUSE ALL THE READING I WAS DOING ABOUT RELIGION CONVINCED ME IT IS THE TRUTH. TRUTH. TRUE TRUTH. TRUTHY TRUTH. I did NOT chose it because I liked it because there was a lot about it I didn't like at all at first. But its truth credentials did the job of convincing me that I had to yield my own freelings because it's TRUE.

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Faith 
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Message 332 of 364 (836266)
07-13-2018 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by Tangle
07-13-2018 12:12 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
I READ AQND STUDIED MY WAY TO MY BELIEF. YOU CAN'T TELL OTHER PEOPLE WHY THEY BELIUEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

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Faith 
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Message 335 of 364 (836269)
07-13-2018 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by ringo
07-13-2018 12:25 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
I didn't know ANYTHING about religion so I read EVERYTHING. I read about Hinduism, I read the gurus, I read about Buddhism, I was sure I'd become one or the other, I read about various occultic practices, and I practiced some occultic oracles, I read about many cults, I read Rosicrucianism, I read Theosophy, I read Gnosticism, I learned how to make astrological charts because it's part of some of those things including Hinduism and some friends had taken me for a truly astonishing personal astrological reading. In all this I believed in "God" but certainly belived in the supernatural at least. I read quite a bit of Roman Catholicism, I thought I'd become a Catholic, I read some of the early Chuch Fathers, Augustine, Athanasius, it took me a LONG time to get to the Protestants, and I did not like Martin Luther at all. And I did not like Jerry Falwell. C. S. Lewis was interesting though and I read quite a few of his books. I don't remember what finally convinced me for sure. NO I DID NOT START OUT WITH ANY INCLINATION TOWARD ANY PARTICULAR RELIGION, CERTAINLY NOT TOWARD THE PROTESTANTISM I NOW EMBRACE. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO STOP THINKING THEY KNOW BETTER THAN I DO HOW I BECAMNE A BELIEVER.
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Faith 
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Message 337 of 364 (836275)
07-13-2018 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by ringo
07-13-2018 1:04 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Well if you don't know it's happening then allow me to suggest that you are swimming in confirmation bias with every word you utter, and so is everybody else here. Why pick on me because I'm a Christian? Bevcause of YOUR confirmation bias. None of you has yet szaid one true thing about this subject. Bunch of prejudiced know-nothings.
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Faith 
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Message 340 of 364 (836279)
07-13-2018 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by ringo
07-13-2018 1:15 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Right, I'm wrong about my own history. OK so you must be wrong about yours. Nothing you've ever said about yourself is true. You weren't raised Christian, you just imagined it, you were really raised to believe what you now believe or you wouldn't believe it because that's how it is. Nobody ever learns anything new, you can't change your beliefs, you could read hundreds of books and just believe what you already believed, even though you didn't know you believed it, because of confirmation bias because you WANT to believe w3hat you already believe even though you didn't know you believed it. Right. There's certainly no point in going to school because nobody can learn anything anyway.

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Faith 
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Message 341 of 364 (836280)
07-13-2018 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by Tangle
07-13-2018 1:13 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Yes, in my mid to late forties I learned the Truth and where anything contradicts it I know it is wrong. Before I learned the Truth I believed all the same false stuff you all believe about evolution.

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