Will The Real God Please Stand Up?

ROFLMAO!!that was great.

not to mention Valhalla. Looks like that's where I'm going (even though I'm not a warrior).

gonna take a guess.yojimbo?(basis: Final Fantasy X game, a summon called Yojimbo, looks like a samurai, requests money for his services. and your comment: send money. damn mercenary.)probably wrong.(oh, and while it is quite a bit late for the class, did you ever read my essay?)

hmm. interesting. pretty positive that I sent it to your e-mail. since it's not listed on your profile, i won't put i out here. my e-mail, holydragon281, does record that i sent the message. and i never got a failed to send message from mailerdaemon, so . . .thanks for the info on that dude. sounds, well, machiavellian.(okay, so it's listed in your profile, just not on the quick view version. i sent it to taoshan@gmail.com. your current seems to be taoshan.tw@gmail.com. that could have been the problem. I sent it on Dec 10 or 11.Edited by kuresu, : minor corrections

out of curiosity:if on proving their qualifications, it becomes necessary to cite historical examples of their actions, how would they prove it?reason being, geology and history can only tell us what happened, not who caused it when speaking of deities.I move that works of history can be allowed, but that we should first determine the qualifications needed for said works to be accepted.

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your point?

ay, like your denial that sin is a separate concept from "right and wrong" and your defiance of your own rules--you claimed you were leaving. you left. and you came back.i smell hypocrisy. i taste hypocrisy. i see hypocrisy. i hear hypocrisy.hypocrite.

you know, you have to wonder about people who are so convinced that they are "nothing" and "worthless" and "filthy rags".why do people have such low opinions of themselves and others?(and what's truly ironic (though I don't think I'm using the literary term correctly) is that these people who abhor against being called "animals" by the logic of evolution are convinced that we are nothing more. what was it hobbes said? "the life of man is poor, solitary, masty, brutish, and short". hmm, and they have problems with a science that relegates them to the status of a mere animal.)

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my motives?what are they? do you know? how can you be certain they are impure?
is it because I reject christ, and make that plain as day that my motives are (or have to be) impure?my motives are no more impure than your own. I seek to understand and ask questions. that is my motive.

just so there's no confusion, Kris Kristofferson is not my son.(it was tradition in scandinavia to make your surname your father's first name, plus son. hence, Leif Erikson,(spelling wrong), son of Eric the Red (dude who got to Greenland, land of ice).following the tradition, I would have been Christopher Johnson. granted, the tradition hasn't been followed for quite some time to my understanding (or else, all my uncles in sweden would be Erikson).just so there's no confusion.I move that this be struck from the record--it has no bearing whatsoever on the meeting.quick question: what does QED and OED stand for?

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that's hilarious. thanks for the info.

and now the problem is clear. you think you've found the answer, and so, you look nowhere else, you turn nowhere else, and you listen to no one else.I don't claim to know your specific motives. What I do know is that you are human, like me. that means, that neither of our motives can be more impure than the other. I never claimed that your motives were impure. In fact, you probably think they are pure--you're converting for christ! notice I say probably--because I do not know, I can only speculate. you went far beyond speculation. how can they be good when you've closed the door to any future learning? oops. which is no better, or worse, than you can do. YOu do not have the voice of God. Just because you know about him does not mean you can think on his terms. I know about John Paul II. He proved his existence to me. Can I think like him? Not a chance. At least, not in the manner you mean. You actually believe you can think like God, because you know of him and about him. tough luck--you can't. He ain't you--which you admitted. you are a man, nothing more, nothing less.Its nothing to be ashamed about. we are all men (except the women, of course, they're just wierd ) why am I ashamed of sin, when its a concept I don't believe in? It's not a ploy of mine to get rid of responsibility, its an idea that has zero bearing on my life. I don't believe in the genesis story. I don't believe in God. So then, how can I be hiding from something I don't believe in? tell me rob, do you hide from the monster in the closet? of course not--there isn't a monster there.let's make this clear--if there's a god out there, I am not hiding from you (all). God forgives those who aks for penance. Why then, does he need his son to die? Why do I need someone to pay my fine for me? I am not that weak. I also notice you use the word "kind". As in, well, that was . . .nice. . .shouldn't you be jumping up and down for joy because you're so weak you needed someone to pay your fine? So much for having a high opinion of the guy. And if he forgives us of ignorance, we lose it? That's what you claim--that we can no longer rely on ignorance to get us out because we know something-his sacrifice, i guess.now, how does refusing him translate to having impure motives? I don't reject him because I don't like him. I don't need him. or rather, his sacrifice. How am I to learn something if I'm forgiven at every turn? Oops, I lied. well, god forgives. oops, I killed. well, god forgives. oops, I stole. well, god forgives.no wonder christianity can seem so depraved--you all don't learn from your mistakes, because you don't have to pay the consequences because of the death of your prophet 2,000 years ago!why won't Hovind learn he's made a mistake? my guess--he's thinking god will forgive him.tell me, what happened when you stole a cookie from the cookie jar as a child? you got scolded, no? what if you hadn't? what if everytime, your mother/father just said "well, boys will be boys"?that's what Christ is doing for you! He's the mother/father saying "boys will be boys". And you expect me to follow your religion because of this sacrifice that gets me off the hook? Sorry, I've got a higher moral ground than that.Tell me. Why do you keep your ears and eyes closed when you say genuine questions are good?Do you expect me to give up the higher moral ground because of some sacrifice that lets me off the hook? then why hasn't god fired you? since you seem to have such a crappy job performance in his service, and in fact might be hurting his prophet, why hasn't he fired you?And something else became clear-- Jesus forgave you for your education? that's rich.

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realize this: Rob is arguing that only in Christ do we find salvation. If turn turn from him, that means we're ignorant.I find his version of christianity stupid.there are many good christians--jar, you, phat, percy, mr. austin . . .I do feel remorse. Trust me. I don't even like skipping class (unless its one that I absolutely hate and only need a C in, but even then . . .). But don't confuse guilt with sin. Without religion, you don't have sin. I don't have religion. I don't have sin.If I implied that I thought that only christians got off the hook and everyone else is doomed to hell, I implied wrongly. That means that I'd be going to hell! (granted, I don't believe in such a place, so . . .)I think the rest of your post might be better in my new thread on why we do the "right" thing. as a quick answer--i believe in learning from your mistakes. I don't believe you should get off the hook with a "free pass". Quite frankly though, that's what many seem to use Christ for, and it seems that some teach that that is what Christ is.
looking forward to your reply in my thread.If I'm parroting others, I honestly don't know who. My guess is you think I have ideas similar with the three you listed below. I've only heard of mother teresa and what she's done. I've never read any of their stuff. Doesn't mean I've not been influenced by them. Just because I haven't read the Bible doesn't mean it's influenced me.

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I'm actually going to move for a temporary adjournment of the meeting--the time we come back shall be decided after this movement passes. My reason? Arguments other than those in support/against the candidates have taken over the thread.I apologize for this.I'll chat with you about the rest

Since we haven't managed to decide just what being a God requires, I shall give you my resume for the job.I am alive. And I'm here right now. Oh, and I don't claim to be everyone's god. just the one for my followers--all trillion plus cells of my body. Isn't it great how they'll work for me, die for me, care for me?Edited by kuresu, : my recent grammer screw up should not be counted against my application--esp. since we have no standard qualifications to begin with.

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oh, added "it" in the last sentence

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