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Author Topic:   Will The Real God Please Stand Up?
Malachi-II
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Message 91 of 364 (379806)
01-25-2007 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Phat
01-25-2007 8:23 AM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
You are asking the real God to stand up. Sorry, but I do not have legs on which to stand. I do not have physical features that you would recognize. Sadly, whenever you attempt to define my being, someone perceives something different. Yet I am the same primary cause as in the beginning. I do not exist in your definition of the word. I have been perceived by mortals throughout the ages who, by letting go of their intellect, discovered how evident I Am.
Who Am I ?
I am the temporary resident of mortal flesh
I am the consciousness of the nervous system that regulates and maintains mortal flesh
I am the sensitivity corresponding with the elements that constitute mortal flesh
I am the awareness of manifestations that extend far beyond mortal flesh
I am one with the emanating force of all that is, was, and ever shall be
I am the web of thought and vibration that fill the universe
I am the memory of the universe that is available to all
I am the imagination of discovery and invention
I am the inspiration of creative expression
I am the eternal perpetuation of life
I am love, the beginning of life
I am the all and everything
I am that I Am

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Malachi-II
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Message 108 of 364 (380009)
01-26-2007 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by ringo
01-25-2007 2:48 PM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
I did not contradict myself. You failed to understand the meaning of 'temporary'.

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Malachi-II
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From: Sussex, England
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Message 121 of 364 (380170)
01-26-2007 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by ringo
01-26-2007 12:08 PM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
Ringo writes:
Actually, you failed to understand it. If you can temporarily poof yourself legs once, then you can temporarily do it again.
You seem to insist on misinterpreting my words. It might help if you allow your brain to be still and open your mind to my words, which transcend the physical forms you are attached to. Repeat, ”I do not exist in your definition of the word.’ Question: Inasmuch as I Am the primary cause of all and everything, will you free your mind to explore the meaning of Who Am I?

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Malachi-II
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Message 125 of 364 (380383)
01-27-2007 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by ringo
01-26-2007 3:20 PM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
Ringo: writes:
Well, I insist on using the English meaning of your words. . . .That's yer problem right there. Ain't none of us "transcendent" here, so yer "transcendent" words ain't got no more meanin' than the whistlin' o' the wind.
You are totally convinced that you know myself better than I. Therefore how could you possibly be wrong about anything!
Your use of semantics is as risible as your insistence for proof. If and when you finally realize that nothing can ever satisfy a need for proof at your level of demand, then and only then, will you begin to discover answers for yourself. As it is whistling in the wind is far more enlightening that living in a closed and firmly locked brain.

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Malachi-II
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Message 126 of 364 (380384)
01-27-2007 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by ringo
01-26-2007 7:13 PM


Re: Where do we go from here?
There you go again:
Ringo writes:
Since the OP refers to "the nature of God", we have to determine what the nature of God is before we can decide Who has that nature and who doesn't.
You HAVE to determine what the nature of God is. When you and others finally acknowledge that your self limiting thoughts are solely responsible for not knowing the nature of God (which has always been the root of everything) you will be amazed at how much you have always known. Don't sweat it. Evolution is a very slow process.

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Malachi-II
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Posts: 139
From: Sussex, England
Joined: 04-10-2006


Message 128 of 364 (380387)
01-27-2007 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Phat
01-26-2007 5:30 PM


Re: Where do we go from here?
Phat writes:
Perhaps God has already stood up and left the meeting! I don't imagine He (or She) would leave us in a lurch like that, but I have received no impartation's or prophetic utterances to indicate otherwise. Have you?
Greetings Phat, On the other hand, perhaps God would never bother to attend a meeting where mortals demand unrefutable proof of His reality. It might just be possible He has more important things to do. It might also be possible that He knows we'll finally catch up (in the next billion earth years or so) without further help from Him/Her/It/Spirit/Thought/Nothing.
PS Can't wait for the next heated exchange of enlightened minds. With 6 billion plus people on this rock who would expect any two minds to be identical in every respect? What?

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Malachi-II
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From: Sussex, England
Joined: 04-10-2006


Message 146 of 364 (380492)
01-27-2007 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by ringo
01-27-2007 11:08 AM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
Ringo writes:
A "Supreme Being" would not produce such a non sequitur, so we can firmly rule out Malachi-II as God.
Damn. My cover's been blown yet again. And I really tried hard to stand up and be counted. I tried it before. Anyone remember the press reports about President Bush talking to God about invading Iraq? For a brief moment I wondered if George called me, but I honestly couldn’t remember getting a call from Dubya. So I went inside my head and asked the Real God if he told George to do those things.
God replied, “Are you joking? You think I’m stupid? I thought you knew that I don’t pander to human beings, no matter how important they think they are. Don’t you know already that I created everything through the power of Love? What kind of Love would go around zapping people because of a little dispute over land or some stupid ideology. I ask you, do you really think that I would encourage anyone to destroy one tiny part of creation? Isn’t it bad enough that people think my loving process of evolution is harmful? Is it my fault they aren’t mature enough to see the big picture? Think a little - make an effort - just because some people say they know me doesn’t mean they do! Let’s face it, a little power on earth in the hands of some puffed up tyrants gives them the idea that I’m in their corner. And of course other people will believe it out of fear for their miserable lives. I tell you, I care more for the helpless life forms struggling to survive and evolve that are treated contemptuously by your so-called progressives . . .”
“Then why don’t you do something to help them," I shouted.
“Progressives! Ha! It’s all about money, sex, fashion and self gratification.”
I shouted again. “Why don’t you help them?”
“Who?”
“The helpless life forms.”
“My boy, what can I do? Your species evolved quicker than most - which was in line with my plan - but the whole idea was for you to think for yourselves, to figure out how best to continue what I started. And, if I do say so myself, it isn’t altogether bad. What?”
“Yeah, not bad.”
“Thank you. Now you want the bad news?”
“If I must.”
“Right. I cannot interfere because I gave humans the power of my Love to continue what I started. If they’d wise up to that fact the glorious planet would be more cooperative. My beautiful Earth is tired of being treated like dirt. If mankind would pause a moment to listen he would hear the planet moaning, ”Enough already.’ My tears will not help you. My concern will not save you from yourselves. I have other fish to fry, as you say.”
“But!”
“No, buts. Get on with the job I gave you. Otherwise get out of the way. Make room for a more intelligent species.”
“Who? . . . . Who?!” Oh, well, I guess He said enough.

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Malachi-II
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Posts: 139
From: Sussex, England
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Message 149 of 364 (380509)
01-27-2007 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by sidelined
01-27-2007 2:17 PM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
sidelined writes:
The Real God inside your head eh? That pretty much sums the arguement I think.
Hooray! Does that constitute a majority decision or must we labor the subject ad nauseam?

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Malachi-II
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Message 150 of 364 (380514)
01-27-2007 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by ringo
01-27-2007 11:08 AM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
ringo writes:
A "Supreme Being" would not produce such a non sequitur
Incidentally Ringo, I was pruning a few branches in the Garden of Eden with my secateurs when I spotted Adam and Eve trying to hide. I thought, “Eureka, at last.” Just to make sure I was right, I asked, “Why are you hiding from me?” Adam replied, “Because we are naked.”
I was overjoyed and did a few back flips. Two children displayed signs that my plan was coming to fruition. But imagine my sorrow when the allegory was misunderstood.
Did I not cause to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food - including the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - for a meaningful purpose? Did I not create all things on earth to serve my purpose? Was I not pleased with my work? It is written that my sons feared humans would become as gods if they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Was it I who spoke those words? Pause a moment. Allow your fertile minds to be still. Listen without interference from traditional teaching: Eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge was the dawn of human self-awareness - self-consciousness - evolution of reason and individual awareness. The ability to recognize and classify external forms. The Garden of Eden became a symbol of man’s disgrace, rather than his emergence from ignorance.

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Malachi-II
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Message 154 of 364 (380624)
01-28-2007 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by Greatest I am
01-27-2007 10:42 PM


Re: What are the duties of a God?
Greatest I am writes:
It is not so much that God does not care what we do, but consider that if one of God's attributes is Perfection, which it is, then the systems that He has put in place must then by force be Perfect. What then would we have Him change. Only our understanding of the Perfection that we live and thrive in.
May I respectfully offer another opinion about our perception of God's perfection. It's an excerpt from my allegory, THE WEEPING REDWOOD TREE. A discussion between God and an ancient gentleman. Please excuse the length. It's not a point one can deal with in a few words.
- Your holy books are filled with wondrous teachings from my sons and daughters who heard my voice. By their good fruits are they known. Others made changes that were not in tune with the infinite, or misinterpreted what was originally spoken and heard. For example there is great misunderstanding about the meaning of perfection. I am not perfect in your understanding of the word.
The old man gasped and looked up, eyes popping from his head. The forest seemed to catch its breath in amazement.
- You may well look surprised. It has long been taught that heaven is a place where no pain, no sorrow, no mischief and no misdeeds can enter in. Heaven is portrayed as a place of perfect peace and harmony and beauty. A desirable vision to ease the pain and sorrow and injustice that has infiltrated deeply into the human condition. Heaven is indeed a place of rest and renewal. But, understand this, the universe is not perfect. It continues to evolve.
- Your definition of perfection is anything that is complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement; without any of the flaws or shortcomings that might be present; faultless and correct in every detail. How can a universe be perfect when still in the process of developing? Do you not realize that Life is not without flaws; not faultless and correct in every detail? Why then do you blame people for being imperfect? Why encumber them with the yoke of being born of original sin? That is a deeply discouraging and erroneous burden to impose.
- My creation is perfect in the sense that it is ever changing, constantly evolving for the original purpose of perpetuating my love of Life. Had I failed in the beginning then Life would not have continued to evolve over fifteen billion years of your time measurement. My love could not be contained. It literally exploded into Life. You are an example of my love.
Astonished, the old man flushed with hope. “Me?”
- Yes, you. We both made mistakes. You could not have known of my concerns whether or not creation would manifest as planned; that humanity might misuse freewill and ignore the purpose of evolution. Once Life began it was instantly beyond my control. I could not withdraw freewill when it was abused. Creative love cannot be controlled, otherwise it could not be eternal. It was my love of Life that empowered forces to explode with energy that continues to radiate. Essences within that energy are the elemental building blocks of the universe. Self-centred love could not have sustained Life. Command and control? No. Life must be free of artificial controls if it is to be self-perpetuating and self-sustaining. It is the Spirit of Life within humanity that answers prayer, that works miracles.
- Religious leaders throughout the world have encouraged followers to worship me. I do not require worship. I do not need reminding that I Am. Humankind should be encouraged to grow in and through me. To become as I Am. To continue, through Love, the process of creation. Because of man’s efforts to impose controls, rather than lead as shining examples of Love, he has all but forfeited leadership. Hate grows stronger. If not reversed it will destroy the world created by mankind.
- Women could not be obedient to men who fell into dishonour through selfish decisions and actions. They were forced to assume leadership in many areas where men displayed lack of wisdom. Sadly, many women still suffer the effects of men’s decisions. Some are not yet free of the impetus that corrupted their menfolk. Wisdom is a currency of low value in the world. My children who came into the world to remind others of the need for divine wisdom were badly treated and misunderstood. They suffered at the hands of those they came to assist. You cannot know the sorrow that spread throughout Life . . . .
The old man looked up as drops of rain fell on his head. He had not been aware of gathering clouds. But the sky was clear. He then noticed water droplets falling from tips of branches. The wren flitted about catching drops in midair. No drops fell from other trees. It then occurred to him what was happening. He rose to his feet, stretched his arms as far as he could around the giant tree and gently patted the soft bark in a comforting gesture.
“There, there,” he murmured. “It’s all right. I will do better. I will rid myself and the Church of carefully constructed dogmas and encourage your precious gifts to grow from the essence of your Love, to flower and bear fruit for your eternally creative purpose.”
Water ceased to fall from its branches. The old man continued to hug the tree for a long while. The forest was silent apart from a clear, flute-like whistle of a Varied Thrush. A surge of energy flowed into the man. Dropping his arms he stood back and reflected. The task before him was unimaginably difficult. It would be easier to move mountains than change hardened attitudes. Schisms within the Church were one thing. Gulfs between rational belief systems and irrational fanaticism quite another. Momentous inner change strengthened his resolve; not to attempt to change the world, but to be one Self. To be true to himself and a positive example to others. It might require another two millennia for true brotherhood to encircle the globe.
He smiled at the thought that it took evolution fifteen billion years to get this far. In the mind of I Am, he mused, humanity might just unite in brotherhood in less time. He turned and noticed the gathering of wild life.
“My goodness. I have been truly blessed. Thank you all.”
The inhabitants of the forest silently dispersed. The man walked some distance then stopped abruptly, startled by the thought that he might not again hear the voice of God. The same voice sounded quietly in his inner ear.
- The decision is yours. When you fully understand and confess that I can never desert you nor forsake you is when you will eternally be one with Me. When you and all humankind choose Life is when you will be released from inner strife. Do not worship me. Simply be as I Am.
“How?”
- Do not force people to worship the god of your creation. Recognize and respect diversity within yourself, in others, and the whole of Creation. In so doing you will learn that nothing exists apart from God. Recognition of that simple fact will enable you to see with my eyes. Through you, others will see themselves more clearly, as I do, and will endeavour to reflect what you see rather than imposed or acquired distortions. There is nothing to worship, but everything to encourage, respect and embrace in the glory of Creation.
Edited by Malachi-II, : No reason given.
Edited by Malachi-II, : For ease of reading
Edited by Malachi-II, : For the ease of readers and pedants

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Malachi-II
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Posts: 139
From: Sussex, England
Joined: 04-10-2006


Message 155 of 364 (380646)
01-28-2007 7:03 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Archer Opteryx
01-25-2007 3:09 PM


Re: I am late but I am yada
Archer Opterix writes:
That's actually rather lovely, Malachi II.
I especially enjoyed this bit of pantheism:
Please forgive me for the belated response to your very kind words. I get caught up in the constant crossfire that seems to energise internet Forums. This one is no exception.
I must confess I haven't read the 'Gita' for a long while but will read the epiphany scene. For the amusement of many, I will confess to you that thoughts I most value enter my mind when meditating. It’s never easy for me to temporarily control the onslaught from my overactive mortal brain. However, in the brief moments when I subdue its hyperactivity I’m frequently amazed at what my higher mind reveals. Ego hates it when I meditate.
Thanks again, and thank you for reminding me of The Bhagavad Gita. I have a translation by Juan Mascaro. I am also deeply impressed with the writing of Kahlil Gibran, amongst countless others.

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Malachi-II
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Message 165 of 364 (380707)
01-28-2007 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by ringo
01-28-2007 11:31 AM


Re: What are the duties of a God?
Ringo writes:
One thing we've learned about the nature of God: He didn't create paragraphs.
Presumably God did not get a university education. Perhaps that is why he is neither pedantic or self righteous.

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Malachi-II
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Posts: 139
From: Sussex, England
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Message 171 of 364 (380842)
01-29-2007 5:11 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by ringo
01-28-2007 1:45 PM


Re: What are the duties of a God?
Ringo writes:
I would think that He would be Self-righteous by definition.
And He would know the difference between pedantry and clarity.
My dictionary defines:
Paragraph, a distinct portion of written or printed matter dealing with a particular idea, usually beginning with an indentation on a new line.
Self-righteous, confident of one’s own righteousness, esp. when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behaviour of others.
Clarity 1. the state or quality of being clear or transparent. 2. Clearness or lucidity as to perception or understanding.
Pedant, a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate show of learning.
The differences between clarity and pedantry are surely obvious.
The original posting of my excerpt indented lines to indicate a new paragraph. The God in my story could not possibly be described as self-righteous by any definition. If any part of my writing required clarity, then it would be very reasonable for any reader to bring a specific example to my attention - if only out of courtesy.
May I suggest that you read more carefully. You might better impress your fans in the gallery if you use the correct definitions of words when ”correcting’ others. Also, perhaps you might improve your aim before shooting more rattlers. And, please, take care not to shoot yourself in the foot - again.
PS I have much to learn, i.e. repeating the original WordPerfect fomatting to these postings.

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Malachi-II
Member (Idle past 6355 days)
Posts: 139
From: Sussex, England
Joined: 04-10-2006


Message 172 of 364 (380843)
01-29-2007 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Greatest I am
01-28-2007 8:11 PM


Re: What are the duties of a God?
Greatest I am writes:
I had to look up pedantic and I still don't know what it means.
Pedant is a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate show of learning.

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Malachi-II
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Joined: 04-10-2006


Message 175 of 364 (380917)
01-29-2007 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by ringo
01-29-2007 10:36 AM


Re: What are the duties of a God?
Dingo writes:
Sure He could, by you own definition:
quote:
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Self-righteous, confident of one’s own righteousness....
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Is God not confident of His own righteousness?
Is it to protect your Ego (or the actor you impersonate rather badly) that you failed to include part of the description of self-righteous: "...when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behaviour of others." Perhaps it was your charming modesty?
You are clearly not interested in what others have to say, and I'm bored with your self aggrandisement. I have no more time for your games.

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