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Tangle Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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Faith writes: The "working hypothesis" is known as Uniformitarianism and since we know things were very very different before the Flood, immensely more favorable to growing things, we ain't buying it. We know you're not buying it, we're not asking you to buy it, we're asking you to show how the evidence shown to you of trees, corals, ice cores, radioactivity, sorted fossils and sorted rock all showing an old earth is wrong. You can't just say that because of some belief you have that it's not real evidence or even that you think some other piece of evidence supports your belief, you need to properly address the hard evidence we're presenting you. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The "working hypothesis" is known as Uniformitarianism and since we know things were very very different before the Flood, immensely more favorable to growing things, we ain't buying it. The "flood" is an unevidence assumption (belief), and can't be used in a rational argument. Particularly when we have evidence from before, during, and after that time period that conclusively disproves any such flood. You seem to be confusing belief with evidence.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Stile Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Tangle writes: You should also ask yourself why only people with a belief system like yours hold the YEC belief. Why can't you find an agnostic YEC scientist? The answer is because belief in a young earth derives from faith not science. It can't stand on its own evidence. That's a really good, simple point. There are many religiously-different scientists. Christian scientists.Hindu scientists. Atheist scientists. First Nations scientists. Wiccan scientists. ...probably scientists from each and every different religion you could name on the planet. But how many religiously-different YECs?Only Christians. How many religiously-different Hindu literal-creation-story believers?Only Hindus. How many religiously-different First Nations literal-creation-story believers?Only First Nations people. How many religiously-different Wiccan literal-creation-story believers?Only Wiccans. There's a pattern here.Why is science so universal? I know. Tangle knows. Everyone knows. Except for the Christian literal-creation-story believers. They think it's a worldwide conspiracy against Christianity.Except for the Hindu literal-creation-story believers. They think it's a worldwide conspiracy against Hinduism. Except for the First Nations literal-creation-story believers. They think it's a worldwide conspiracy against First Nations. Except for the Wiccan literal-creation-story believers. They think it's a worldwide conspiracy against Wicca. If you can't pick up on the 'lesson of humanity' based on these facts... or the obvious religiously-independent universality of science shown here... then you're simply too close-minded into whatever religious cult you currently find yourself.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1656 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Have you ever tried to match ice cores to your consilience data? Yes, in the current version it is covered in Message 7, but the additional information and perspective will be good for the newer version. I also have links between the ice core dates, volcanoes and these ice cores. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10297 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Faith writes: The point is that there is no way to tell if the past was the same as the present, Wouldn't that also apply to the processes of sedimentation?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
We can see the past, and archaeologists do it every day. So do a lot of other -ologists.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1695 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you could see the past you'd see the Flood.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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We see the past, and very well.
Certainly enough to know there was no global flood during human history.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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If you could see the past you'd see the Flood. We know for a fact, without a doubt, that the entire planet has not been covered in water since humans have been here.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1695 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Strata. Enormous range, enormous depth.
Fossils, bazillions of them. The whole point of the Flood was to kill things.
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Strata. Enormous range, enormous depth.Fossils, bazillions of them. The whole point of the Flood was to kill things. That's what is so funny about the Biblical
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1695 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Bazillions of fossils says otherwise.
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Taq Member Posts: 10297 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Faith writes: Strata. Enormous range, enormous depth. Those are evidence of long term deposition, just as is happening in our oceans right now.
Fossils, bazillions of them. The whole point of the Flood was to kill things. Floods don't sort fossils so that they correlate with tiny changes in the isotope makeup of the rocks around them. Only slow deposition over long time periods does that.
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Bazillions of fossils says otherwise. Utter nonsense Faith; just another example of your willful ignorance. You say "Water sorts things" but that is where you stop. Thinking people go on to investigate how water sorts things and the thinking people realized several hundred years ago the water cannot and does not sort things in the fashion found in reality. This is what folk have been pointing out to you in this and many other threads. There is no way your imaginary flood could sort the fossils as they exit in reality. There is no way your imaginary flood could sort the geology as it is found in reality. There is no way your imaginary flood could sort material by radioactive isotopes. There is no way your imaginary flood could have happened during the lifespan of many examples you have been given. The Biblical Flood simply never happened.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1656 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Bazillions of fossils says otherwise. Now imagine all those organisms being alive at the same time ... how deep would they be? Bazillions of fossils is evidence of extreme old age and gradual deposition, with new growth living on top of the dead shells etc of the previous generations. That's also what we see now. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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