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Author Topic:   Hate the sin but love the person...except when voting?
jar
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Message 375 of 391 (597630)
12-22-2010 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 373 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 7:37 PM


The issue is marriage, not homosexuality
Homosexuality is NOT the issue or even related to the topic. We are discussing the legal contract referred to as marriage.
You need to provide a reason that is NOT related to your religious beliefs.
Do you understand basic US laws?
I'll repeat some basics for you.
quote:
Fortunately, not in the US. In the US there must be a clear secular reason for any law, and sin don't just cut it.
1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
Note the first item. If it fails that it is out.
You need to show why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens.
What is the clear secular reason why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens?
Remember homosexuality is NOT relevant, perversion is not relevant, sin is not relevant; we are only talking about denying the legal contract referred to as marriage to one subgroup of citizens?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 381 of 391 (597639)
12-22-2010 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 8:30 PM


Re: marriage not sin is the topic
Well, according to the Bible knocking up little (likely maybe 12 years old) virgins is okay. Mary, Mary ...
BUT ...
Perversion is NOT relevant in US Law.
Nor is "natural" or "unnatural".
Second, homosexuality is NOT the issue or even related to the topic. We are discussing the legal contract referred to as marriage.
You need to provide a reason that is NOT related to your religious beliefs.
Do you understand basic US laws?
I'll repeat some basics for you.
quote:
Fortunately, not in the US. In the US there must be a clear secular reason for any law, and sin don't just cut it.
1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
Note the first item. If it fails that it is out.
You need to show why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens.
What is the clear secular reason why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens?
Remember homosexuality is NOT relevant, perversion is not relevant, sin is not relevant; we are only talking about denying the legal contract referred to as marriage to one subgroup of citizens?

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 383 of 391 (597647)
12-22-2010 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 382 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 9:14 PM


Re: marriage not sin is the topic
ICDESIGN writes:
jar writes:
Well, according to the Bible knocking up little (likely maybe 12 years old) virgins is okay. Mary, Mary...
I can't help but wonder if God will let me sit on the front row with a party favor when your turn in front of the throne comes up...
...oh, in case you haven't noticed after for times now, I don't care what you think about the law.
I will gladly invite you.
BUT ...
Perversion is NOT relevant in US Law.
Nor is "natural" or "unnatural".
Second, homosexuality is NOT the issue or even related to the topic. We are discussing the legal contract referred to as marriage.
You need to provide a reason that is NOT related to your religious beliefs.
Do you understand basic US laws?
I'll repeat some basics for you.
quote:
Fortunately, not in the US. In the US there must be a clear secular reason for any law, and sin don't just cut it.
1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
Note the first item. If it fails that it is out.
You need to show why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens.
What is the clear secular reason why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens?
Remember homosexuality is NOT relevant, perversion is not relevant, sin is not relevant; we are only talking about denying the legal contract referred to as marriage to one subgroup of citizens?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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