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Topic: Hate the sin but love the person...except when voting?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 227 of 391 (597342)
12-20-2010 10:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 216 by iano
12-20-2010 8:25 PM
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Re: reasoning?????
I note that although automatic annullment through non-consumation is the case in only a few US states .. and Ireland, This is one of many reasons for granting of annulment. Read the link.
, the fact that it is so points to the intertwining of the two things. Ok I won't use snark here. But this would be a non-sequitor since the first part of the statement has been shown to be wrong and deceptive.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 228 of 391 (597343)
12-20-2010 10:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 214 by iano
12-20-2010 8:12 PM
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Did you really mean this?
God's order proscribes procreation within marriage. Proscribe :to denounce or condemn (a thing) as dangerous or harmful; prohibit. What word did you mean to use? Maybe I just misunderstand what you are trying to say here. But this sentence means. God's order condemns procreation within marriage. Please explain why you would say this.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 229 of 391 (597344)
12-20-2010 10:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 222 by jar
12-20-2010 8:38 PM
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Re: reasoning?????
oops sorry didn't see this before I posted on it.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 255 of 391 (597383)
12-21-2010 9:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 233 by iano
12-21-2010 4:43 AM
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Did you really mean this? part 2
Maybe you want to try a third time. I do not think perscribe is a word. At least it doesn't come up in any English dictionary I have. Maybe you want to try prescribe. That seems to have the meaning you want. But then again maybe you have a different word in mind altogether.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 258 of 391 (597387)
12-21-2010 9:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 234 by iano
12-21-2010 4:55 AM
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Re: reasoning?????
The point was to show that sex and marriage where viewed as intrinsically intertwined. The fact that marriages can be annulled for other reasons doesn't impinge on that. The fact that there are others reasons for annulment defeats the argument you are trying to present. Your argument on annulment only holds sway if a marriage can be annulled solely for non consummation. Without this piece the argument has no value.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 259 of 391 (597388)
12-21-2010 9:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 237 by iano
12-21-2010 5:15 AM
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I am stunned
I guess William Wilberforce will be turning in his grave then.. You actually are equating the continued banning of gay marriage with the abolition of the slave trade? This is wrong on so many levels. Not least of which is the insulting and disgusting attempt at a moral equivalence. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Good of the Many or Individual Hatred
As I mentioned in another post, heterosexual couples are refraining from marriage more and more.
Not due to legal constraints. Also, I would like to see the data for this. More and more people are putting off marriage until later in life but I don't know of evidence that says that there are significantly more refraining from marriage altogether. I would really like to see that data.
They are running into the same issues as homosexual couples. Please explain these "same issues" that heterosexual couples are running into that are preventing them from getting married as homosexual couples are prevented.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 344 of 391 (597582)
12-22-2010 3:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 304 by iano
12-22-2010 5:43 AM
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Re: No one can give a reason
Okay. Although you might add "..or effort" to the end of that to make it complete. According to your chapter of Club Christian. Other chapters would see things differently.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 347 of 391 (597586)
12-22-2010 3:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 312 by iano
12-22-2010 10:49 AM
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Re: No one can give a reason
Should I cease working to prevent the propagation of all kinds of sin in society? Rape? Theft? Again your own comments destroy your argument. You truly equate homosexuals with rapists and thieves. How sad and how disgusting.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 354 of 391 (597597)
12-22-2010 4:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 352 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 4:33 PM
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Re: marriage not sin is the topic
So you equate homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 374 of 391 (597629)
12-22-2010 7:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 352 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 4:33 PM
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Re: marriage not sin is the topic
My valid reason is that homosexuality is a perversion. Then no perverts should be allowed to marry?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 377 of 391 (597634)
12-22-2010 7:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 372 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 7:26 PM
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New topic?
everybody realizes those attributions are just legends. Nobody knows who actually wrote the epistles.
You are 100% wrong. ...Oh that's right. Crashfrog said it so that makes it true. I forgot that principle. How about starting a thread on this so we can see your evidence? I'd really like to see your support for the traditional attributions. Does anyone know if there is already a thread for this?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 388 of 391 (597676)
12-23-2010 9:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 387 by ICdesign
12-23-2010 8:58 AM
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Re: "I never engaged in this kind of thing before..."
May I sincerely wish each and every one of you a very Merry Christmas !!! Happy hijacked pagan holiday to you too.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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