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Topic: Islam does not hate christianity
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 121 of 320 (188131)
02-24-2005 11:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 98 by custard
02-24-2005 12:44 AM
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Re: ...and the hatred lives on...
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So as far as the UN is concerned, the state of Palestine has existed just as long as the state of Israel - 1947. That gives the modern Palestinians just as much of an identity as modern Israelis.
The Arabs refused the resolution, so there is no Palestinian state. If they had accepted it then there would be Palestinian "citizens" of that state, but this is a completely separate issue from whether there is a "Palestinian people" that have claims to the land for generations past. Their history in the area goes back only as far as their immigration in order to work for the Israelis.
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3942 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 122 of 320 (188134)
02-24-2005 11:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
02-24-2005 11:25 AM
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Re: Not more of the Palestinians don't exist stuff...
The Palestinians are suffering but that's not Israel's fault. Could have fooled me and just about the rest of the real world. The bullets that kill Palestinian children come from Israeli guns. The bulldozers that tear down houses and olive trees are driven by Israeli soldiers. The matches that burned my families crops were thrown by Israeli soldiers. Tell me how these actions are "keeping Israel safe?"
There is nothing imperialistic about Israel. They simply
want to run their own country in peace, and they have in fact gone farther than many think is in their own best interests to accommodate to peace efforts, efforts to establish a Palestinian state for instance. Always it is the Palestinians who refuse peace. Imagine that, they refuse to negotiate while the barrel of a tank is pointed at the foundations of their homes. Seems pretty unreasonable to me to expect peace efforts to be initiated by the oppressors. Darn them unreasonable Palestinians!
One thing at a time please. The great majority of the "Palestinians" do not have the longstanding residence in the land they claim. That's #1. Which is still only claim which even if it was true does not justify the incursion, slaughter, oppression, denial of human rights, torture, etc of ANY native people. You have failed to show how the quantity of original people being oppressed justifies the oppression. The fact remains that there IS such a thing as a native Palestinian, they are not scant in number even in light of a migration. This necessarily defeats your original point that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian People."
#2 The claim of "atrocities" denies the terrorist activity in the Palestinian areas, tunnels under dwellings where weapons are smuggled in and stored for instance. No one said that the Palestinian terrorists dont ALSO commit atrocities. There is no buck to pass, both cultures are responsible.
These tunnels are known to be there by the Israelis who go out and bulldoze them closed. And hundreds of homes of innocent Palestinian families in the way; taking no regard for people who might actually still be inside while the bulldozing happens. Killing old people and children who cannot escape.
This attempt to keep their people from being murdered is called "atrocities" as part of the usual anti-Israel propaganda campaign. All the attacks on Palestinian areas are against terrorists and are scrupulously well aimed at the terrorists in order to avoid harming civilians. Thats funny because my family is not terrorist and yet we have been subjected to violent actions by Israeli occupation forces. You must not have read the whole of that thread. Explain to me how burning our crops and bulldozing our olive trees helped make Israel safer?
If the terrorism were to stop, all the Israeli defensive actions would stop. Unlikely and this has been shown by action. Israeli forces kill and oppress innocent Palestinians with no justification all the time.
The Palestinians have had all kinds of opportunities to improve their situation. The Israelis would be very helpful to them, but they refuse, they continue their murders. What murder did my family commit to justify the assault upon them?
They don't want a state, they don't want anything but Israel gone gone gone. They will never accept peace with Israel. Just like most freedom loving people of the world, they won't accept peace delivered to them at the end of a barrel of a gun. My stomach hurts when I have to talk about this but it needs to be said. You have a very misinformed view of what actually happens over there.
By the way, for a fun second-term drinking game, chug a beer every time you hear the phrase, "...contentious but futile protest vote by democrats." By the time Jeb Bush is elected president you will be so wasted you wont even notice the war in Syria. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3942 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 123 of 320 (188136)
02-24-2005 12:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
02-24-2005 11:47 AM
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Re: ...and the hatred lives on...
The Arabs refused the resolution, so there is no Palestinian state. If they had accepted it then there would be Palestinian "citizens" of that state, but this is a completely separate issue from whether there is a "Palestinian people" that have claims to the land for generations past. Their history in the area goes back only as far as their immigration in order to work for the Israelis. I am starting to find this extremely offensive that you keep saying this all the while having a discussion with someone who by existance alone proves you wrong. I don't care if my family alone was the only people living there at the time. WE ARE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE! WE EXIST! This is starting to become a tirade! The more your just repeat this the more you are just making yourself look foolish Faith. That is not meant with offense. Seriously now, why do you keep repeating this bold generalization that is NOT TRUE?
By the way, for a fun second-term drinking game, chug a beer every time you hear the phrase, "...contentious but futile protest vote by democrats." By the time Jeb Bush is elected president you will be so wasted you wont even notice the war in Syria. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 124 of 320 (188137)
02-24-2005 12:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 109 by Morte
02-24-2005 2:28 AM
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I hesitate to say this (seeing your second quote, below), but think of it like this. Someone says to you that, under their belief system, Hitler was carrying out God's will through genocide. Would you not find it morally wrong anyway? If so, why? It was God's will, after all. Can you see, then, why you saying that your own God justified the slaughter does not justify it in my eyes?
Somebody's just CLAIMING that God said this or that is suspicious up front. That's basically all Mohammed did as a matter of fact since he was the ONLY "witness" to the "revelations" of "Gabriel." But the Bible is the record of 2000 years of dealings by God with a specific people told in specific events through the eyes of different writers -- multiple witnesses over time. Most of it is a historical narrative designed to present the claims of God to humanity. In other words the evidence for His existence and His character is thoroughly documented. No other religion involves a narrative history as the Bible is, and no other religion has prophets. This isn't just anybody coming along and claiming God said such and such. And it is rather absurd for people to ignore the whole history of God's dealings with Abraham and his family, which demonstrate a God who is good, merciful and reasonable as well as fearsome in His power and strict moral commands, to condemn God for His standards of justice instead of having the humility to learn from Him. The adoration of this God in the psalms of David as a God of kindness, mercy and justice, expressed also by Moses and the prophets, is inconsistent with the idea of God you denounce. But of course you are free to believe whatever you want.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 125 of 320 (188141)
02-24-2005 12:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 123 by Jazzns
02-24-2005 12:03 PM
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Re: ...and the hatred lives on...
The Arabs refused the resolution, so there is no Palestinian state. If they had accepted it then there would be Palestinian "citizens" of that state, but this is a completely separate issue from whether there is a "Palestinian people" that have claims to the land for generations past. Their history in the area goes back only as far as their immigration in order to work for the Israelis. quote:
I am starting to find this extremely offensive that you keep saying this all the while having a discussion with someone who by existance alone proves you wrong. I don't care if my family alone was the only people living there at the time. WE ARE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE! WE EXIST!
I've acknowledged that, and sorry if I have failed to acknowledge it enough. Fact remains, if you will look into it fairly, that the majority of the people there are not Palestinians by heritage. You dismiss Walid Shoebat but what's so unconvincing about his claims? He said he learned that he had been taught lies. There must certainly be many others who continue to believe such lies.
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This is starting to become a tirade! The more your just repeat this the more you are just making yourself look foolish Faith. That is not meant with offense. Seriously now, why do you keep repeating this bold generalization that is NOT TRUE?
I'm sorry you are offended but I'm not repeating anything any more than you are, and except for failing to acknowledge that there are some indigenous people in the land what I'm saying about the majority is the truth. But I can stop now. I think I've done this thread. I hope you will look into this with an open mind.
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PecosGeorge
Member (Idle past 6903 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 126 of 320 (188148)
02-24-2005 1:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 114 by Jazzns
02-24-2005 9:45 AM
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Re: Not more of the Palestinians don't exist stuff...
I have a fine appreciation/affection for Ishmael and his mother, there is no hatred in me for him or any of his descendants. It is evil practices I hate, and so all the way around, not just from Muslims. As for repeating yourself? I would find it a privilege.
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3942 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 127 of 320 (188155)
02-24-2005 1:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
02-24-2005 12:48 PM
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Re: ...and the hatred lives on...
I've acknowledged that, and sorry if I have failed to acknowledge it enough. Fair enough.
Fact remains, if you will look into it fairly, that the majority of the people there are not Palestinians by heritage. Lets look at some numbers shall we. Isn't it true that Palestine was empty and inhabited by nomadic people? - Palestine Remembered A site biased in the opposite direction as your sources says:
As the Ottoman census records show Palestine was widely inhabited in the late 19th and early 20th century, especially in the rural areas where agriculture was the main profession. According to Justine McCarthy (p. 26), an authority on the Ottoman Turks, Palestine's population in the early 19th century was 350,000, and in 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews (including many European Jews from the first and second Aliyah). Lets try to confirm from a site with real sources: From http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm
1. There was no administrative district of Palestine. Turkish census figures were for various districts, including the Jerusalem, Acco and Nablus districts for example. The Acre district included areas in Lebanon, outside the modern borders of Palestine in which there were no Jews. 2. Turkish census figures did not include Bedouins (estimated at a few thousand) and foreign subjects. A considerable proportion of the Jews retained their foreign nationality (usually Russian) in Ottoman Palestine. 3. Both Arabs and Jews avoided the Turkish census. Foreigners who were without residence permits did not want to make their presence known. Arabs and Jews wished to avoid taxes and conscription. 4. In the 19th century, only Muslims were subject to the draft, and accordingly, Muslims tended to avoid the census. 5. According to Justin McCarthy, the census tended to undercount women and children. 6. The Turkish census data were not published. 7. There was no British census after 1931, and the census of 1922 was not very methodical. Therefore, the 1931 census data are the only real census data for Palestine before 1948. As the data are ambiguous, different sources give different estimates. In particular, Zionist sources may exaggerate the number Jews in earlier years and undercount Arabs, and Arab sources According to Bacchi, (cited here) there were there were 489,200 Arabs (Muslims and Christians) in Palestine in 1890 and 42,900 Jews. According to Beinin and Hajjar the Turkish census for 1878 listed 462,465 Turkish subjects in the Jerusalem, Nablus and Acre districts: 403,795 Muslims (including Druze), 43,659 Christians and 15,011 Jews. In addition, there were at least 10,000 Jews with foreign citizenship (recent immigrants to the country), and several thousand Muslim Arab nomads (Bedouin) who were not counted as Ottoman subjects. However, according to the data of Karpat, cited here, in the Ottoman Turkish Census of 1893, there were 371,959 Muslims and 42,689 Christians, for a total of 414,648 Arab Palestinians, and only about 9,000 Jews. The data of Beinin and Hajar probably include subdistricts of the Acre Sanjak that are in modern Lebanon. Everyone agrees that the numbers for Jews and Muslims are far too low. Rupin (cited in the same article here) claimed there were a total of 689,275 persons in Palestine in 1893, of whom about 80,000 were Jews. This number is probably an overestimate. According to Justin McCarthy, in 1860, there were 411,000 Arabs in Palestine, in 1890 there were 553,000, in 1914 there were 738,000, but in 1918 there were only 689,000. As there was no census in several of those years, it is not clear how he draws these conclusions McCarthy tells us that these numbers have been adjusted for undercounting of women and children, accounting for the differences between McCarthy's figures and census data. The drop during the war may have been caused by famine and disease as McCarthy claims but he doesn't note that in 1922, the British census listed only 660,641 Arab Palestinians (Christians and Arabs, see table below) nor does he explain the drop from 1918. Perhaps the earlier figures include areas of Palestine not included in the mandate or other overestimates.
Not exactly the scant population of native arabs like you claim. Looks like you and your sources are wrong. What were those sources by the way? You never gave us the titles or authors of those books.
You dismiss Walid Shoebat but what's so unconvincing about his claims? He said he learned that he had been taught lies. There must certainly be many others who continue to believe such lies. I'll take census data over personal testimony any day.
I'm sorry you are offended but I'm not repeating anything any more than you are, and except for failing to acknowledge that there are some indigenous people in the land what I'm saying about the majority is the truth. No it is not. It is at most partially true stretched by the agenda of a pro-Israel position. I only repeat myself in response to your continued inability to recognize that you are wrong on this issue.
But I can stop now. I think I've done this thread. I hope you will look into this with an open mind. Which I have begun to do as shown above. To do it correctly I'll need you to kindly repeat your sources both in book and web form. Till then you can try to respond with continued support of your position in the face of actual population numbers pre-WWI.
By the way, for a fun second-term drinking game, chug a beer every time you hear the phrase, "...contentious but futile protest vote by democrats." By the time Jeb Bush is elected president you will be so wasted you wont even notice the war in Syria. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 128 of 320 (188161)
02-24-2005 2:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 122 by Jazzns
02-24-2005 11:57 AM
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Re: Not more of the Palestinians don't exist stuff...
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The Palestinians are suffering but that's not Israel's fault. Could have fooled me and just about the rest of the real world.
Their suffering would stop instantaneously if they cracked down on terrorism among them.
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The bullets that kill Palestinian children come from Israeli guns. The bulldozers that tear down houses and olive trees are driven by Israeli soldiers. The matches that burned my families crops were thrown by Israeli soldiers. Tell me how these actions are "keeping Israel safe?"
Uh huh, and the houses are arsenals or covers for terrorist tunnels. That's always left out as they are presented as just houses. They aren't. And it is they who put their own people in harm's way by putting arsenals in civilian neighborhoods in the first place. However, Israel is very careful about civilians. All the Israeli military actions are against terrorists and that helps Israel if the bad guys are eliminated, obviously.
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There is nothing imperialistic about Israel. They simply
want to run their own country in peace, and they have in fact gone farther than many think is in their own best interests to accommodate to peace efforts, efforts to establish a Palestinian state for instance. Always it is the Palestinians who refuse peace. Imagine that, they refuse to negotiate while the barrel of a tank is pointed at the foundations of their homes. Seems pretty unreasonable to me to expect peace efforts to be initiated by the oppressors. Darn them unreasonable Palestinians!
Yes they are unreasonable. That's all political propaganda you are believing. They are the aggressors, Israel is defending itself. They won't deal with their terrorists so Israel deals with them. I know that goes against political correctness but it is the truth.
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One thing at a time please. The great majority of the "Palestinians" do not have the longstanding residence in the land they claim. That's #1. Which is still only claim which even if it was true does not justify the incursion, slaughter, oppression, denial of human rights, torture, etc of ANY native people.
Which is not the case. There is no slaughter. THe military actions are purely self defense, perfectly legal and reasonable actions to keep their people safe from suicide bombers and even then they get through.
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You have failed to show how the quantity of original people being oppressed justifies the oppression. The fact remains that there IS such a thing as a native Palestinian, they are not scant in number even in light of a migration. This necessarily defeats your original point that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian People."
You haven't proved it so you've defeated nothing. I can find more evidence if necessary. All you have is your own personal claim.
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#2 The claim of "atrocities" denies the terrorist activity in the Palestinian areas, tunnels under dwellings where weapons are smuggled in and stored for instance. No one said that the Palestinian terrorists dont ALSO commit atrocities. There is no buck to pass, both cultures are responsible.
This is not so. That is a false moral equivalence. The Palestinians are committing murder, the Israelis are defending themselves. The whole romance of freedom fighters is a lie.
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These tunnels are known to be there by the Israelis who go out and bulldoze them closed. And hundreds of homes of innocent Palestinian families in the way; taking no regard for people who might actually still be inside while the bulldozing happens. Killing old people and children who cannot escape.
That's a lie too. They are very careful of the civilians. And blame the Palestinians for the occasional accident for cleverly putting their arsenals in civilian neighborhoods which no decent honorable society has ever done.
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This attempt to keep their people from being murdered is called "atrocities" as part of the usual anti-Israel propaganda campaign. All the attacks on Palestinian areas are against terrorists and are scrupulously well aimed at the terrorists in order to avoid harming civilians. Thats funny because my family is not terrorist and yet we have been subjected to violent actions by Israeli occupation forces. You must not have read the whole of that thread. Explain to me how burning our crops and bulldozing our olive trees helped make Israel safer?
I don't know the reasons for every action, but you are judging from effects and not bothering to learn causes. That's unfair.
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If the terrorism were to stop, all the Israeli defensive actions would stop. Unlikely and this has been shown by action. Israeli forces kill and oppress innocent Palestinians with no justification all the time.
Only according to the propaganda. You refuse to hear the other side of the story.
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The Palestinians have had all kinds of opportunities to improve their situation. The Israelis would be very helpful to them, but they refuse, they continue their murders. What murder did my family commit to justify the assault upon them?
See above. How can I be expected to justify the individual case? You defend the general Palestinian propaganda, that's all I know.
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They don't want a state, they don't want anything but Israel gone gone gone. They will never accept peace with Israel. Just like most freedom loving people of the world, they won't accept peace delivered to them at the end of a barrel of a gun.
BS. Pure BS. They've made agreements in times of peace and broken the peace themselves.
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My stomach hurts when I have to talk about this but it needs to be said. You have a very misinformed view of what actually happens over there.
I'm sorry but it is you who are misinformed and unwilling to hear the other side of the story.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 129 of 320 (188166)
02-24-2005 2:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 127 by Jazzns
02-24-2005 1:48 PM
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Re: ...and the hatred lives on...
Great. I'm glad to see you bringing out some claims to fact instead of arguing from emotion as you have been doing. I'll get back to it later.
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Buzsaw
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Message 130 of 320 (188206)
02-24-2005 5:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
02-24-2005 2:08 PM
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Re: Faith's good stuff!
Uh huh, and the houses are arsenals or covers for terrorist tunnels. That's always left out as they are presented as just houses. They aren't. And it is they who put their own people in harm's way by putting arsenals in civilian neighborhoods in the first place. However, Israel is very careful about civilians. All the Israeli military actions are against terrorists and that helps Israel if the bad guys are eliminated, obviously. Faith, this is just one example of the good work you've done in this thread so as for the truth to prevail. I see you registered way back in '01. Where've you been? I hope you'll bless us with more of your stuff in the future. Thanks much and may God bless you and yours richly for the effort you've gone to here. 
In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 131 of 320 (188211)
02-24-2005 5:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by Buzsaw
02-24-2005 5:07 PM
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Re: Faith's good stuff!
All the Israeli military actions are against terrorists and that helps Israel if the bad guys are eliminated, obviously. Oh, really? Like that 12-year-old girl the Israelis machinegunned, just to watch her die? I'm supposed to believe she was the greatest criminal mastermind of the 21st century? Or the American protestor they ran over with a bulldozer? I'm supposed to believe she was somehow harboring a terrorist arsenal? Where? In her handbag? It's really cool how you've circularly exonerated Israel; I'm amazed in the faith you must place in its leaders to simply assume that anyone who dies from an Israeli bullet was secretly a terrorist. How is it, though, that you decided which side to place your unwavering, unquestioning faith in? Did you flip a coin, or what? Me, I think both sides are assholes, or have assholes among them, so don't you dare paint me as some kind of anti-semite Palestinian sympathizer.
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Trixie
Member (Idle past 3737 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: 01-03-2004
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Message 132 of 320 (188212)
02-24-2005 5:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
02-24-2005 2:50 PM
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Re: ...and the hatred lives on...
Faith, that last comment was totally uncalled for. jazzns has not argued from emotion, but from personal experience. Now, that means that jazzns KNOWS what he/she is talking about. I've followed this thread because it looked interesting and so far you have provided very little support for your position other than biased opinion. For what its worth, I started off with a position sympathetic to the Israelis, but the more I've learned of the situation and the events, the more I've come to realise that, while there may be wrongs on both sides, the Palestinians have been oppressed by the Israelis and their war machine. Now this is just unsubstantiated opinion based on news reports over the last 20 years or so, but my view is at least as valid as yours. On top of that, Israelis seem to have a reputation of shooting anything that moves and I can't find any excuses for this type of action BBC NEWS | Middle East | Aid worker killed 'by Israeli soldier' I also point you in the direction of this site http://www.sabra-shatila.be/english/ Can you still claim that all Israeli action is justified?
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17828 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.5
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Message 133 of 320 (188214)
02-24-2005 5:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by Buzsaw
02-24-2005 5:07 PM
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Re: Faith's good stuff!
The "good stuff" is, of course, less than the full truth. Israel has a policy of demolishing the houses where those accused of terrorist offences live - whether they are actually used for terrorist activity or not. That's pretty well-known to everyone who actually follows the news.
The intifada has also seen a renewal of Israel's policy of demolishing the homes of Palestinians suspected of carrying out attacks in Israel, rendering members of their families homeless.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Q&A: Israel's house demolition policy
What's the point in demolishing the house where a suicide bomber lived ? BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Israel vows 'global' war on Hamas
Human rights group B'Tselem says 34 Palestinian houses were demolished as punishment in November and a further 19 in December.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel's military crackdown
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joz
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Re: Faith's good stuff!
anti-semite Palestinian sympathizer. [pedant mode]Arabs are semitic too...[/pedant mode]
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 135 of 320 (188225)
02-24-2005 5:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 134 by joz
02-24-2005 5:42 PM
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Re: Faith's good stuff!
Are they? I didn't know that. All I know is, whenever anyone acts like Israel isn't blameless in any way, they get called an anti-semite.
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