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Nighttrain
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Message 36 of 320 (187678)
02-23-2005 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
02-23-2005 1:56 AM


Hey, Faith, let`s move away from the Amalekites. You believe God created bacteria? Viruses?

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Nighttrain
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Message 168 of 320 (188362)
02-25-2005 4:26 AM


The official (or is it the unofficial?) land policy for Israel has been hotly-disputed for years. Articles in internal newspapers and books by resident Israeli authors have pointed out the inhumanity of government actions. Even rabbis have acted in defence of Arab settlements as the link shows
http://www.peacecouncil.org/israel_news.html
Evidence of a long-standing effort to remove Palestinian Arabs from villages can be found here
One Land, Two Systems - Mediamatic
Some excerpts
UN recognition led inexorably to a sovereign state. On May 14, 1948, the members of the People’s Council proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. It was a state based on Zionist ideology — and Zionism now shifted its focus to an increasingly territorial agenda and mandate: supporting the development and defence of the State of Israel, while encouraging Jewish people from all over the world to settle there. In the early years of the state’s existence, more than 500 Palestinian villages and cities were destroyed and over 800 new Jewish cities, villages and other types of settlement were founded. By the 1960s, the state had confiscated or otherwise acquired 93% of the country. While more then five million Jewish people from all over the world found a new home in Israel, over 600,000 Palestinians became refugees. Effectively, the State of Israel had simply been established on top of another one, leading to a territorial and cultural cover-up, and an inevitable territorial battle, not only in Gaza and the West Bank, but also within the formal 1967 borders of Israel.
We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.
DAVID BEN GURION
There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.
DAVID BEN GURION
Ein Hod is the biggest artists’ village in Israel. It was established at the beginning of the 1950s by a group of artists led by Marcel Janko. He’d found a Palestinian village with hundreds of years of history; a village that had been confiscated in 1948 by the Israeli military, its 900-odd villagers made refugees in a single stroke. A village constructed in the ‘Islamic style’, composed of arched stone buildings. The Israelis renamed the place Ein Hod, the ‘place of beauty’. The new name, sounding almost exactly like its original name of Ein Hud, has a different meaning. They changed its identity and saw in it their reconnection with their ancient Mediterranean roots. It became their new home, and a symbol of a new ‘arts and crafts’ society. The Israeli government listed the village under the status of ‘community settlement’ , this was a new term for a government-sponsored gated community. Such communities are established in strategic locations in order to promote Jewish presence in the area and prevent Palestinian ‘encroachment’ over public land (see Bitter Wine in the Desert). Ein Hud, the working Palestinian village, became Ein Hod, an exclusive gated community for artists.
While the new village was taking shape right on top of a confiscated one, the extended family of Muhamad Mahmud Abu al Hayja fled from Ein Hud to their own land in the mountains, only 1.5 km away from their village. The family eventually lost all hope of returning to their homes, so built new ones in their hiding place. The called the new village Ein Hud, after the old one. The new Ein Hud was an ‘unrecognised village’ (until February 2004), and its people classed as internal refugees. This meant that, for over 50 years, they lived without services, water, electricity, schools or medical care, struggling with the authorities day by day for their right to a home, for their right to exist. Finally on last February 2004, after years of continuous struggle, the government recognised the village — or rather 80 dunams of it, a very insufficient area for its present existence and its future development.
Food for thought, Faith

Nighttrain
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Message 174 of 320 (188392)
02-25-2005 5:46 AM


Hi, Faith, from David ben Gurion`a official biographer
Famous Quotes
In describing the following encounter, Shabtai Teveth (one of Ben-Gurion's official biographers) briefly summarized Ben-Gurion's relations with the Palestinian Arabs, Teveth stated:
"Four days after the constituent meeting, on October 8, 1906, the ten members of the platform committee met in an Arab hostel in Ramleh. For THREE DAYS they sat on stools debating, and at night they slept on mats. An Arab boy brought them coffee in small cups. They left the hostel only to grab an occasional bite in the marketplace. On the first evening, they stole three hours to tour the marketplace of Ramleh and the ruins of the nearby fortress. Ben-Gurion remarked only on the buildings, ruins, and scenery. He gave no thought to the [Palestinian] Arabs, their problems, their social conditions, or their cultural life. Nor had he yet acquainted himself with the Jewish community in Palestine [which was mostly non-Zionist Orthodox Jews prior to 1920]. In all of Palestine there were [in 1906] 700,000 inhabitants, only 55,000 of whom were Jews, and only 550 of these were [Zionists] pioneers." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 9-10)

Nighttrain
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Message 202 of 320 (188596)
02-25-2005 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Faith
02-25-2005 6:44 PM


Re: No apocalyptic Christian motives here
Hi, Faith, let me try to get my head around your reasoning. You say that excesses committed by Christians in the past proves that they are not true Christians, even when they quote chapter and verse to defend their actions, while excesses committed by Muslims proves they are all terrorists adhering to their written word in the Koran and Hadiths?

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Nighttrain
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Message 209 of 320 (188613)
02-25-2005 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Faith
02-25-2005 8:39 PM


Re: No apocalyptic Christian motives here
Try Foxe`s Book of Martyrs for a quick look at justification. Read the history of the Spanish settlement of the Americas, including Potosi. Most religious pioneer groups moved to America to avoid persecution by the mainstream religions in Europe. I daresay there are records of the Salem witch trials.Ever read the persecution of the Mormons? Even in recent times,wasn`t it a common belief in the U.S. Southern States that the black man was inferior and they found verses to justify their belief? All good CIA (Christians in Action).

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