Contradictions between Genesis 1-2

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It is likely that most of the redaction of the Torah happened after the return from the exile and possibly either by or under the direction of Ezra.

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What evidence points to such a scenario? Does it mean, the book of Esther, written in babylon prior to Ezra, is invalidated, and have you examined the historicity of this document: it reads like the sunday telegraph, and displays contemporary details of its spacetime with hitherto unequalled authenticity for such a period. The book of esther describes the entire contemporary empire of the Persians, including its extent in India; the talmud was initiated at this time - which records a history predating Exra - altogether making the premise of Ezra writing the OT as a charade.Finally, what makes anyone imagine that in such an ancient time - well before Christianity, Rome and Greece - the people would tolerate a new edit of the OT and not rebel: consider what rebellions occured with the interaction between Jews and Greece, Rome and christianity! Consider also the ubsurdity of condoning a people being given a new scripture, and following it anew on the spot!The Ezra premise would also make all descriptions and stats in the OT, relating to 5000 years and 4000 years - eg, the generations and factors of Noah, Abraham, Ismael, ancient Egypt, and the 100s of nations listed, which predate Ezra, invalidated. IMHO, these factors which become invalidated, is the most pivotal proof the OT was not/ could not be written by Ezra or anyone else in his time.The Ezra story says, foremostly, that the israelites begat permission from a Persian King to re-build the temple of Solomon, destroyed by Babylon 70 years previously: your postulation would also negate Solomon or that a temple existed here. I believe there are coins and other relics which evidence both Solomon and the Temple. The other factor seen from the Ezra story is that the OT was read out again - because this was forbidden under babylon for 70 years. Here, there is good logic that the re-education of a previous tradition become inculcated - specially so if a temple and all its rituals was again to be erected.Indications are, this charade was invented by the ilk of scholars who once said King davd was a myth.

The only contradictions appear those depictions in the NT and Quran, and the contradictions between these two scriptures also; these emerged 2000 and 2500 years later and unilaterally. They may have been formed in genuine belief or mysterious compulsions, but they nonetheless contain all of the contradictions, and have caused all the chaos and conflicts seen today, specially that each contains unconditional negations of the original OT beliefs, and all three remain mutually exclusive.There are no contradictions between the Mosaic five books, and the rest of the OT writings upto the time of Micah, which marks the end of the OT writings.

I see that jews and israel is being your target of genocide, while hiding behind a false Sufferin' Pals placebo. The only racism we find in the world today is by Islamic states: stop erecting mosques in non-muslim countries - untill you become brave enough to allow christians and jews to also erect their churches and temples in all Islamic states. Its called RECIPROCITY.Instead of chanting the falsehoods of Muslim Palestinians, get the so-called good muslim majority to form an army an capture your mass murderers: why no Fatwah for Osama? Will muslims not be shamed if Bin Laden is captured by non-muslims, as with Sadaam?Terrorists are not Freedom Fighters - freedom fighters start at home, and will never allow all 57 islamic states to be ruled by dictatorial regimes spreading poison within Muslim youth in closed session madarasas. Get some sunlight - it has a cleansing effect.

I agree that any contradiction invalidates the entire OT as a divinely inspired document, and would render it only an advanced man made doc. The problem occurs when reading translations via multi-level renderings. I know of no contradictions in the OT.

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Leviticus 11 talks about insects creeping on all fours. For very obvious reasons, insects do not creep on all fours. That book, if I recall correctly, also describes bats as birds.

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Negative. It does not refer to insects but swarming things:

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20 All winged swarming things that go upon all fours are a detestable thing unto you.

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In fact, this entire chapter is one of the most astounding of all writings, and introduces biology as never equalled any place else.The list contains numerous descriptions of creepy crawleys, even distinguishing which are consumable, and giving their attributes. Also, a host of animals are mentioned, as well as fish hidden in the ocean.Its most mysterious stat is the description of the pig as possessing a hidden trait not shared by any other life form, then goes on to list three other animals with the reverse attribute of the pig! This feat cannot be performed even in today's advanced civilisation: which biologist can say there is no animal in the Amazons or deepest Africa or Tasmania - which does not have a similar attribute as the pig - namely, in one of its four throat vessels containing a loop which stops blood flow to the brain? Or that no other animals except the three nominated in the OT as having no split hooves but which chews its cud? These are all vindicated today 3500 down the track.About 150 years ago, a chinese scientist saught to disprove the pig attributes denoted in Leviticus, and failed. Some 15 years ago, chinese scientists tried to create a pig in a lab by re-structuring its dna, and succedded in creating a pig w/o the loop in its throat vessel - the pig died 3 days after birth. The OT knows biology. All animal rights laws come from the OT - exclusively. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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It is likely that most of the redaction of the Torah happened after the return from the exile and possibly either by or under the direction of Ezra.

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Since when is 'most likely' a scientific term? LOL!

Ok, thanks.

Its not a plural - that would clearly contradict other mandated factors in the OT. The hebrew contains many grammatical provisions not seen elsewhere, such as 'perfect' tense, covering all spacetimes [past/present/future inclusive], as a constant - this can apply to gravity laws as constant, though the OT factors this more technically - namely at one time gravity did not exist, and is not an infinite factor. Elokim = plentiful, all incorporating and transcendent, as relating to term 'fullness' in 'THE FULLNESS OF ALL THE WORLDS IS HIS GLORY' - a verse said to be overheard by Moses, declared by the Angels at Sinai.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

Everything was created in Genesis' opening first verse ['In the beginning Gd created the heavens and earth']; this is the header preamble of the subsequent descriptions, which become a chronological display how it unfolded. Everything in the future has also been created in v1 - else they cannot 'evolve'; that 'there is nothing new' /King Solomon, applies.A song someone writes, existed in its unformed mode before it was written by a sngwriter - else it could not be done. The universe is finite, along with all of its components. At one time, everything in this universe dd not exist - namely prior to v1 in Genesis - else that verse becomes superfluous.

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purpledawn writes:
The Adam and Eve story is just that an entire story. Do you have evidence that the first part of the story is written by a different author than chapter 3? If not, it all goes together. The first portion would not be considered a separate story.

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Irrelevant!

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IMHO, it is relevent to substantiate the claim these chapters were NOT written by the same author. There is no proof, and its premise is based on desperation and nonsense. Ch two begins with 'AND', which is responsive to ch 1., using the same terms and references, offering no other alternative interpretation.IMHO, it is always notorious when anti-OT charges are based on what is clearly not provable and not verifiable, when afforded a freedom of any conclusion which suits. It is also cowardly. Let's not act as if the claims made of different authors has any verifiable substance whatsoever. It is akin to those anti-creationist 'scolars' who boldly, impudently and for a long time declared David and Solomon as mythical figures!

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I'm a little mystified by the knee-jerk reaction that "they're not contradictions".

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Kneejerk can only apply to its antithesis: what is it that is contradictory? This has to be precedent of your mystifyism.

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I can also not comprehend why you're mentioning information about David/Solomon when it does not apply to this topic.

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The premise of contradictions in these chapters is derived by so-called scholars who claimed the OT is myth, and pointed to David as such, along with the contradiction premise. The David myth has been overturned, making only the myth charge a myth. Of coz, this impacts here.