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Author Topic:   Contradictions between Genesis 1-2
Nimrod
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Message 66 of 308 (438333)
12-04-2007 5:10 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by IamJoseph
12-04-2007 2:42 AM


The only contradictions appear those depictions in the NT and Quran, and the contradictions between these two scriptures also; these emerged 2000 and 2500 years later and unilaterally. They may have been formed in genuine belief or mysterious compulsions, but they nonetheless contain all of the contradictions, and have caused all the chaos and conflicts seen today,
The conflicts and wars come from bigots like you who support the ethnic cleansing of a people (Palestinians for example)simply because they are Muslim or "Arab" (ironic that Christians were 30% of all "Arabs" in Palestine before 1948).
Please dont lump all Christians in with your twisted bigotry.
Also, Muslims are demanded by Islamic law to let Christians and Jews live in peace.So Muslims arent at war with Christians.
Just look at the many dozens of Muslim nations that have Christian minorities.
Show me a single Christian nation (Lebanon doesnt count, lets look at European nations) that tolerated Muslims.
Fascist bigots like you have stolen "Christianity" from Christ.The New Testament spoke against nationalism ("neither Jew nor Greek").
specially that each contains unconditional negations of the original OT beliefs, and all three remain mutually exclusive
Well, now you include the Jewish faith as mutually exclusive from what? Peace?
Peace with Christians and Muslims (who are also "excluded" from peace in your twisted theology).
Again, with bigots like you I suppose the comment is true.Jews were expelled like a punted football in Christian run (European) nations over a 1500 year period.Not to mention slaughtered.
Please add a disclaimer to your posts when placing bigoted comments into a debate on ancient texts (not that you debate anything anyway, you just make a bunchof un-supported claims).
It can go something like this....
IamJoseph disclaimer
.......
I reject the peaceful religion that Christ founded.I reject that fact that Christians were a non-right wing and peaceful people for 300 years till the Roman empire merged church and state.
Like the later Roman empire,I support the possible murdering of any people (including Christians) who are not a part of the official state-run dogma which demands that people get killed for their ethnicity,nationhood, religious views, etc. and even to the point of changing the face of "Christianity" for 1700+ years.
My bastardized version of "Christianity" does not in any way, shape or form represent the views of Christ, Paul, early Christians, and even many modern Christians (though I prefer that it's numbers continue to grow and prosper like a cancer till it replaces Christ's religion completely).
......
End disclaimer
That would be an honorable disclaimer to use when you insist on poisoning decent discussions (minus your crapola) with hateful and dishonest projections of political views.
I can tell you that Jews , Muslims and Christ-following Christians are (in every way)100% my brothers & sisters so I find your comments disgusting to the sight.

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Nimrod
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Message 67 of 308 (438344)
12-04-2007 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by IamJoseph
12-04-2007 2:42 AM


Reality check.
Here is how Christian and Muslim Arabs as a group feel about Jews.
First Arab Congress President
Abd-ul-Hamid Yahrawi
1913
"All of us, both Muslims and Christians, have the best of feelings toward the Jews. they are our brothers in race and we regard them as Syrians who were forced to leave the country at one time but whose hearts always beat together with ours. We are certain that our Jewish brothers the world over will know how to help us so that our common interests may succeed and our common country will develop both materially and morally."
In March 1919
Emir Faisal
"The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. ...We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home. ...We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is nationalist and not imperialist. Indeed, I think that neither can be a real success without the other."
This is the historically typical view as represented by the Arabs of Syria, Lebanon , Palestine, and Jordan.
Christians were about 25% and Muslims 75%. Had the immigration of Jews been peaceful then Muslims would only be about 55% of the total population from this entire region.And divided between many very different sub-groups within "Islam"- including two large sects which Sunni Muslims dont even consider to be Islamic (one "muslim" minority represents 12% of the Syrian Arab Reublic , runs the government, and infact celebrates Christmas and Easter as a matter of faith!)
Sunni Mulims wouldnt be 40% of the entire region of Syria-Palestine!
I dont dis-like Muslims, but that sure would have been nice.
In the anti-Christian world of bigots like IamJoseph , only hatred and chaos reign supreme.Muslims arent haters but the tense atmosphere (caused by bigots and world-superpowers populated by bigots) has caused poverty and war which leads to high birth-rates among some, and emigration combined with low-birth rates among minorities.
Palestinian Christians were only killed by European invaders (whether the West-Roman Empire, East-Roman Empire, Crusades, Zionism, etc.) NOT MUSLIMS.
Yet they were still 28% of Palestine in 1948.
Now they will never be more than a few percent.
The anti-Christian spirit of people like IamJoseph is the #1 reason.
And I wont allow his ilk to deflect blame.

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Nimrod
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Message 70 of 308 (438369)
12-04-2007 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by IamJoseph
12-04-2007 7:44 AM


I see that jews and israel is being your target of genocide, while hiding behind a false Sufferin' Pals placebo.
Actually, Jews (I shouldnt make too broad of comments, it can be complicated to define a "Jew") are one of the few good things the United States has going for it.Every Jew I know seems to be quite smart, and frankly not dumb enough to swallow fascist propaganda 100% like you, and other red-necks, do so well. (I have nothing against red-necks either)
As I said, Jews suffered more than anybody at the hands of "Christian" bigots like yourself.People like YOU, IamJoseph , were told by your church leaders to hate Jews all throughout history in western lands.
The same "Christian" leaders now tell the sheep to hate Arabs, Muslims and Palestinians as the new "bad guy" inplace of the "evil guys" of yesterday-Jews.
Tell me Joseph.
Where in the Bible are Arabs described as an "end-times" enemy of Jews? (as if these racial definitions could apply to such inter-mixed peoples of today, but I'll accept your dispensationalist fantasies for a second just for thought)
Where does the New Testament talk about Palestine/Israel and land rights?
O and I challenge you to find any anti-Jewish remark from THIS poster.
I find war and racism to be simply horrible.It leads to a lot of bright people (like JEWS!) being killed and its such a loss to humanity.With worthless morans like yourself overpopulating this world, it really becomes clear how sa the situation actually is when fascism leads to bigoted killing and loss of precious ancient peoples.
HOWEVER
Your theology demands killing and ethnic wars as a means of "fulfilling Gods plan".
Its why you can be reasoned with.
The only racism we find in the world today is by Islamic states
Actually, I find people like you to be the most racist by far.I swear to god thats the truth.As I see it.And I am a quite critical-thinker IHO.
Instead of chanting the falsehoods of Muslim Palestinians, get the so-called good muslim majority
Your attacks on Muslims never cease, however lets look at this "chanting" accusation of yours.
LOOK AT MY POSTS
LOOK AT YOUR POSTS.
Who actually chants claims without published academic works for documentation?
Who then spends a great deal of time documenting the literature in an effort to introduce critical and high-quality data into the chaotic discussions that the web brings?
We will see who is the un-critical "chanter" when we add up the number of examples under our screen-names.
Infact, the biggest problem with you is that you never even admit you are wrong about something even when the plain data is staring you right in the face.EXAMPLE: The 2 top Jewish scholars who plainly said that Palestine was used for ALL of Israel over 500 years before you said it was.Plus they shot down about 4 other "chanted" claims of yours in their encyclopedia article (ie they shot down the chanted crap that "Palestine" was a Roman slander of Jews)

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Nimrod
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Message 71 of 308 (438371)
12-04-2007 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by IamJoseph
12-04-2007 7:44 AM


Can I request something MODS?
Since I never said anything at all bad about the Jewish people (thank God for them), then can some action be taken if IamJoseph cant prove that I made Jews a target of genocide?
I dont even disagree with Jews in Palestine either.Infact, I think they should live in the region.
I am against a seperate Palestinian state.
I think all Jews and Palestinians should have a right to return to the land Israel/Palestine.
I also dont entirely blame Jews for the mess that Israel/Palestine has become since 1948. (its more the modern nation-state concept that caused so many problems and scheming gentile western-elites and the borders they drew up in the entire region which served several corrupt interests).

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