Did Jesus exist, Part II

What does that have to do with anything? Many of them are in the History field. Anyone involved in New Testament or Old Testament studies would be a history professor.But just to keep you happy... This is a really broad spectrum organization, open to all points of view and looking for honest opinions not at all like the phony CreationWiki which is really a bad joke.From the home page of the phony CreationWiki What a joke. A classic example of the intolerance of such dishonest attempts to pretend there is ANY objectivity in the Creationsit Movement.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Does Karen King deny that Jesus ever existed? Do you have a quote of Karen King denying that Jesus ever existed?Thank you.

Has any historian ever presented evidence for the existence of Jesus in a scholarly paper published in a reputable journal? If so, what was the evidence, and what was the reaction, if any?

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

Sure. In fact the big question is trying to determine what might be actual examples of the words of Christ. The point is that the issue should be open to research, just as with the questions related to the writings alleged to be from Paul and those of Acts.As I have said throughout this discussion there is simply no threat from such studies. It is impossible to prove that Jesus did not exist. The only possible outcomes are that we can find there is no indication there really was someone named Jesus at the time, or that we might find there was such a person.That leaves us in the same position we are now. Belief in Jesus is a matter of Faith, and even if he were proven to have existed, that would not address the issue of hid divinity.Jesus is an article of Faith.It really is as simple as that.This message has been edited by jar, 01-15-2006 07:23 PM

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No, who cares?You asked if any of the names on the list were in History.This message has been edited by jar, 01-15-2006 07:20 PM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't recall anybody in this thread denying that Jesus existed. The thread has mainly been a discussion about the evidence of his existence.

TO: the upsidedown batguyre: historians - I am guessing Phillip Schaff, Michael Grant, or Sherwin-White would affirm Jesus existed (see this quote of Michael Grant at: http://www.michaelhorner.com/...cles/resurrection/index.htmlHere is what the historian Sherwin-White said about the book of Acts which does state that Jesus appeared in post resurrection appearances and he appeared in post resurrection appearances in many infallible proofs:"For Acts the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. Any attempt to reject its basic historicity even in matters of detail must now appear absurd." (Sherwin-White, Roman Society, p. 189).Also since law/history both weigh historical evidence I would offer this:

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Legal Apologetics

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Numerous arguments have been put forth by legal scholars such as Simon Greenleaf, John Warwick Montgomery and others stating that western legal standards argue for the historicity of the resurrection of Christ. Page not found | bibleteacher.org MTI Front Page Online Hotel Reserveren in Utrecht
Law Religion Culture Review: 01/01/2005 - 02/01/2005 In addition, legal authorities' statements regarding the historicity of the resurrection of Christ are cited. Page Not Found - JA Show ....

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quoted from: CreationWiki, Apologetics at: http://www.nwcreation.net/wiki/index.php?title=Apologetics

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This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 08:41 PMThis message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 08:58 PM

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Here is what the historian Sherwin-White said about the book of Acts which does state that Jesus appeared and he appeared in many infallible proofs:

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"For Acts the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. Any attempt to reject its basic historicity even in matters of detail must now appear absurd." (Sherwin-White, Roman Society, p. 189).

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Good. Now what is Dr. Sherwin-White's arguments and/or evidence that the "confirmation of historicity is overwhelming?"- Again, very good. What are some of these "numerous arguments"?

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

It is not just Sherwin-White according to Sherwin-White:

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For the New Testament of Acts, the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. Any attempt to reject its basic historicity, even in matters of detail, must now appear absurd. Roman historians have long taken it for granted.

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A. N. Sherwin-White
Classical Roman Historian

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http://www.leaderu.com/...student/easter/articles/josh2.html

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Second historians look at things wholistically (context, immediacy of sources, archaeological confirmation, etc. etc. I am obviously not going to type in a book in the internet. But here is one portion concerning Sherwin-White:

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According to Sherwin-White, the writings of Herodotus enable us to determine the rate at which legend accumulates, and the tests show that even two generations is too short a time span to allow legendary tendencies to wipe out the hard core of historical facts. When Professor Sherwin-White turns to the gospels, he states that for the gospels to be legends, the rate of legendary accumulation would have to be "unbelievable." More generations would be needed.

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The Evidence For Jesus

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He uses Herodotus because it fits the culteral milieu at the time/culture concerned.

Very good, NWR! How will that fly in the science forums?

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Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

Really well. That'sthe basis or replication and peer review.

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TO: BuzzsawI think you buzzed off that squirrels head (see avatar).This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 09:23 PM

Great! We'll keep that in mind for the future.

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Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

Hi JJMorgan. Welcome to EvC. I hope you will hang in here so we can get to know you. We need more active folks of the thinking you appear to have for balance on the board. Btw, NWR is one tough squirrel. I think I just nipped his tail.

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Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

TO: BuzzsawThanks for the welcome. By the way, CreationWiki could use you at CreationWiki creating content (see: CreationWiki at: http://www.nwcreation.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ).