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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
Double post. See next post.
This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 05:50 PM
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
Are there any professors of history at major universities who deny that Jesus ever existed? I don't think so. The Jesus didn't exist school is dominated by non-historians who are not familar with historiography methods.
I cite the following about a professor of German (not history) who is widely cited by the Jesus didn't exist school:
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
Name one professor of history in the link you cited.
Name one professor of history at any major university in the whole wide world who denies Jesus existed. Thank you.
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
Does Karen King deny that Jesus ever existed? Do you have a quote of Karen King denying that Jesus ever existed?
Thank you.
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
TO: the upsidedown batguy
re: historians - I am guessing Phillip Schaff, Michael Grant, or Sherwin-White would affirm Jesus existed (see this quote of Michael Grant at: http://www.michaelhorner.com/...cles/resurrection/index.html Here is what the historian Sherwin-White said about the book of Acts which does state that Jesus appeared in post resurrection appearances and he appeared in post resurrection appearances in many infallible proofs: "For Acts the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. Any attempt to reject its basic historicity even in matters of detail must now appear absurd." (Sherwin-White, Roman Society, p. 189). Also since law/history both weigh historical evidence I would offer this:
quote: This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 08:41 PM This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 08:58 PM
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
It is not just Sherwin-White according to Sherwin-White:
quote: Second historians look at things wholistically (context, immediacy of sources, archaeological confirmation, etc. etc. I am obviously not going to type in a book in the internet. But here is one portion concerning Sherwin-White:
quote: He uses Herodotus because it fits the culteral milieu at the time/culture concerned.
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
TO: Buzzsaw
I think you buzzed off that squirrels head (see avatar). This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 09:23 PM
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
TO: Buzzsaw
Thanks for the welcome. By the way, CreationWiki could use you at CreationWiki creating content (see: CreationWiki at: http://www.nwcreation.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ).
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
I suggest reading the Sherwin-White work and Michael Grant work cited. I am not going to type a book into the internet. I would also read about Sir William Ramsey's investigation concerning Acts.
This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 10:43 PM
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
I suggest reading this work: Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels (Paperback) by Michael Grant Amazon.com
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
TO: Jar
YOu wrote:
quote: Do you have any quotes of historians making this comment? If you do, it should be easy to find a history professor who denies Jesus existed which is something you haven't been able to do.
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
TO:Jar
I don't think you have even read the Christian Apologetics 101 literature. For example, did Polycarp refer to Jesus in his letters? (Polycarp was a disciple of the Apostle John). Did Polycarp swear allegiance to Jesus at his martyrdom?
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
The Letter of Polycarp to the Filippians
Here is an excerpt: Translation:Polycarp, and the older people who are with him, to the God's assembly which is staying at Filippi: Mercy and peace be multiplied to you from Almighty God, and from the Lord Anointed Jesus, our Saviour. ONE I have rejoiced greatly together with you in our Lord, Anointed Jesus, because (as it was appropriate for you) you have followed the example of true love and have accompanied those who were bound in chains, the ornaments of holy people, and which are indeed the crowns of the true chosen ones of God and of our Lord; and because the strong root of your trust, spoken of in days long past, remains even until now and produces fruit to our Lord, Anointed Jesus, who suffered for our sins even to the point of death. "God raised him from the dead, having loosed the suffering of Hades." "You trust in him, though now you do not see him, and in trusting, you rejoice with unspeakable joy and full of glory." Into this joy many desire to enter, knowing that "by generosity you are saved, not of deeds," but by God's wishes through Anointed Jesus. from: http://www.friktech.com/rel/pcarp.htm
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JJMorgan Inactive Member |
TO: Jar
It was very easy to find one on short notice and away from my library. I would suggest reading the writings of Dr. Habermas and maybe a introductory work like Josh McDowell's New Evidence that Demands a Verdict if you want all the references to Jesus or the number of references to Jesus. I am retiring from EVCForum. It is 11:15 pm where I am.
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