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Author Topic:   There is an appalling lack of historical evidence backing the Bible's veracity
autumnman
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Message 159 of 306 (480661)
09-05-2008 1:32 PM


Date of Exodus
Cavediver begins post #1 quoting Berreta:
quote:
Berreta writes:
There’s more than enough historical evidence backing the Bible’s veracity
Cavediver concludes post #1 saying:
Anyway, the purpose of this thread is to point out in no uncertain terms that Berreta's claim is pure fantasy. Anything pre-Captivity presently stands as pure myth, and to declare otherwise is at best ignorance, often another case of lying-for-Jesus.
Brian writes to Bertot in post #150
Now, if we are going to look for evidence to support the Bible's version of events we need to know where and when to look for this evidence. These simple questions I am going to ask you will also allow you to focus on other discussions as it seems you are getting bogged under with requests.
When did the Exodus happen?
Once you provide a date, a rough date will do, we can discuss this date before moving on to another issue.
The Exodus as described in the Bible occurred pr-Captivity (before 586 BCE), and therefore Cavediver is stating “in no uncertain terms” that the Exodus account is “pure myth”! Brian then asks Bertot, “When did the Exodus happen?”
Bertot replies with a lengthy quote by Dennis Bratcher that suggests that The Merneptah Stele:
quote:
“... would support a 15th century date for the exodus.”
In the Fundamentalist Christian publication, Eerdman’ Handbook to the Bible, The ”Five Books’, pg. 154, it states:
quote:
“That Israel was out of Egypt and into Western Palestine by the late 13th century BC is confirmed by the only known Egyptian mention of Israel (in context with Gezer and Ascalon), in the Libyan victory-poem of Merneptah (about 1,200/1,210), successor of Ramesses II.”
From the 15th to the early 13th century BCE would appear to be the approximate time when the biblical Exodus is supposed to have occurred.
So, I guess the question is: What is the extra-biblical, historical evidence - evidence that does not rely upon belief - that supports the biblical account of the Israelites (a.k.a. Hebrews), being slaves in Egypt and leaving Egypt between the 15th and early 13th century BCE?
Regards,
Ger

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autumnman
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Message 165 of 306 (480678)
09-05-2008 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Brian
09-05-2008 2:18 PM


Re: Date of Exodus
Brian:
I am fully alive to the other possible dates suggested for the biblical Exodus. My intention was to help the discussion along by quoting what you asked of Bertot in post #150:
When did the Exodus happen?
Once you provide a date, a rough date will do, we can discuss this date before moving on to another issue.
You said, “a rough date will do”!
So, my ally, (I say, “my ally”, because I am in complete agreement with you), I was attempting to move the discussion along by supplying “a rough date.”
In my opinion, Rahvin’s post #162 was absolutely spectacular, and concluded:
More appalling are people like Bertot who, when confronted with these facts, grasps for straws through apologetics. No doubt he'll return with evidence of one or two wheels found at the bottom of the Red Sea - but not in numbers consistent with the Biblical account, and not with human and horse remains along with wepons. He'll repeat his assertion that the Egyptians simply "wouldn't write that down," without supporting that assertion.
But apologetics, the "re-interpretation" of evidence (I'd call it the "rape" or "mangling" of evidence myself) to fit a pre-determined conclusion, is not a valid method of inquiry because the conclusion never changes regardless of the evidence.
Thank you, Rahvin!!!
Regards,
Ger

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