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Author Topic:   There is an appalling lack of historical evidence backing the Bible's veracity
bluescat48
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Message 38 of 306 (479143)
08-24-2008 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by cavediver
08-24-2008 7:58 PM


Re: "pure myth"?
Perhaps you, like Nem, need to be more acquainted with the technical concept of "myth" rather than the colloquial usage.
Myths
Myth from Rakefet Dictionary
Myth
Myth, Mythology [from Greek mythos a secret word, secret speech] An occult tale or mystic legend; the modern use varies from an allegorical story to pure fiction. are after all ancient history and are built on facts or on a substratum of fact, as has proved true in the case of Troy and Crete. A symbolic record of archaic truths, universally prevalent among mankind, as in such stories as that of the Ark, which are almost universally discoverable and identical not in detail but in essential underlying features among the most widely sundered peoples. Myths contain the universal keys which can be applied to anything, and preserve undying and essential truths, so that variations of external form are unimportant. Such truths, being preserved in the racial memory of mankind, can always be kept essentially true to standard; and thus this means of handing-on can correct itself.
Early races of mankind were taught directly by their divine instructors; and in later times, when this mode of teaching was no longer available, the instructions were committed to the racial memory in the guise of allegories: this is the origin of the world's myths. The labors of Hercules, paralleled in the mythologies of some other lands, preserve an epitome of the history of evolution in twelve chapters; tales of heroes seeking to win damsels and having to slay dragons, preserve the drama of the soul in its quest for truth; and so on.
Note: the Bold part is my won emphasis
The Fact that myths can & have been based on actual ocurrances means that even though the Biblical accounts may me myths there is aat least a sence of truth to many of the stories. I don't deny the existance of David, Solomon, Moses, Abraham etc. I just disagree that the Biblical accounts are totally historical.
Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 142 of 306 (480240)
09-01-2008 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Cold Foreign Object
09-01-2008 4:40 PM


Re: Is anyone unbiased?
But when the Bible claims the world was Flooded and repopulated in its entirety by the contents of a rather small wooden boat, or that millions of Jewish slaves escaped Egypt amidst myriad plagues including the sudden unexplainable death of every first-born child in the nation, and there is absolutely no evidence to support those claims, there is no more reason to believe them than to believe that Achilles was a literally invincible warrior and that the Illiad was a "historical account" simply because Troy was a real city.
No one expects Atheists to acknowledge evidence that says their worldview is false.
Ok, what evidence? All the evidence I have seen is that the Universe is over 13 billion years old, life has existed on this planet foe over 3 billion years, there was never a global flood and there is no evidence to support that thousands of Israelites were ever in or left Egypt.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Message 202 of 306 (483990)
09-25-2008 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Dawn Bertot
09-25-2008 10:41 AM


Re: Historical enquiry
In post 171, Brian writes:
I would check the date of Thompson's book, if it is the 1970's or 80's version then some of it may be outdated.
In this post he quotes from a book from 1922.
Your points you make to Bertot about history as a discipline drew me back to a very poignant passage from Shotwell’s 1922 book An Introduction to the history of history. New York, Colombia University Press.
On page 284 we read:
"The only history of importance to the Christian was that which justified his (sic) faith, and it all lay within the sacred writings of the Jews. So, as the vision of the judgement day became fainter and the Church began to settle itself in time and not in eternity, it looked back to a different past from that which lay beyond the pagan world. The sacred scriptures of the Jews had replaced that literature of antiquity. A revolution was taking place in the history of history. Homer and Thucydides, Polybius and Livvy, the glory of the old regime, shared a common fate. The scientific output of the most luminous minds the world had known was classed with the legends that had grown up by the campfires of primitive barbarians. All was pagan, which meant that all was delusive and unreliable except where it could be tested in the light of the new religion or where it forced itself by the needs of life into the world of common experience."
The point is that Brian is quoting something that was said by Shotwell whereas you are using the writings of Thompson which deal with archaeology and which could have been updated.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Message 212 of 306 (484960)
10-03-2008 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Creationist
10-03-2008 4:55 PM


Re: Some recent evidence of the Bible's
Just because one thing is real doesn't make it all real. All mythology contains some truth.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Message 230 of 306 (485383)
10-07-2008 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Me4Him
10-07-2008 1:30 PM


Re: Some recent evidence of the Bible's
Atheist say there is no God, yet admit that Jesus existed.
Whether a man called Jesus existed is irrelevant. The Biblical Jesus exists only in the scripture. The books about Jesus, the Gospels, were most likely written 100 to 200 years after the fact, not by anyone who was there. The stories were later compiled into the books, without any evidence that there was any truth to them.

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